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[–] [email protected] 64 points 4 months ago (3 children)

How about first we charge the real people doing real war crimes, e.g., Netanyahu and Putin? Then we can talk about whether mashing buttons is comparable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)

And so very many US presidents.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

Yeah, I was considering listing Bush Jr, but then it would have felt weird leaving the others out, and I didn't feel like listing them all.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 4 months ago (2 children)

real leaders aren't held accountable for real war crimes.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

In the interest of preserving realism of the gameplay experience, gamers should not be punished.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Then they got an Arma DLC which is effectively a red cross training course [story]

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Over a decade of knee-jerk gamers responding without reading the article, how time flies

It's stuff like this getting flung around that helps me remember no one cares about reality

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Accountable to whom? There's no victim.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is a headline that idiots have been reposting forever without context - they're taking about IN THE GAME

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

That would be hilarious. Just one CoD that drops a patch and every player who committed a war crime spends entire matches in a prison.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

they’re taking about IN THE GAME

Calling in an airstrike to win a round of Call of Duty and immediately transitioning to a JAG themed game of Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Warframe players: That's not a war crime. This is a war crime!

Murders an entire battalion with biochemical weapons

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Hey!

I mean, yes you're right, but: hey!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sort of makes me want to play.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  1. You gotta love grindy looter-shooters

  2. The game doesn't do a lot of directing new players, so you gotta be willing to ask other players and read the wiki to figure out what you should be doing.

Assuming those don't faze you, the community is one of the best and the story is really good- once you get that far.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've been putting a bunch of time into Battlebit, so I dig shooters, and I am an old Eve player so I'm used to 'Fuck you' level of support for newbs...

Is it something you can drop in/out of? Don't have a lot of straight blocks of time to dedicate to gaming these days (which is partially why I like battlebit so much).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

On a micro level, it's very easy to jump in and out when you feel like it. Each mission usually takes under 10 minutes even for fresh players, while a veteran can blitz through some missions in under 90 seconds. You can choose to play either solo or in up to a four-player squad, and if you are in a squad you can get a share of the xp from kills your mates get. Loot is instanced so you never have to worry about fighting to get what you see on the ground.

On a macro level, it's a free-to-play looter shooter, with all the good and bad that entails. You have about a billion different types of resources you need to craft new weapons and frames, and almost every time new content is added new resources are too (to force veterans to engage in that content). Some things in the game are timegated heavily- for example, once you have the parts and resources to craft a new frame, it takes at a minimum 3 and a half real time days to craft it (unless you pay to skip that, or just buy the frame outright from their shop). The drop rates for some of the things you want might mean you'd take a while to get them if you're not playing a lot- DE has a published list of the drop chances and the wiki lists the expected number of times you'd have to do an activity before you'd get that item, but I do want to stress the grindy looter-shooter part of the game.

Most of the real-money transactions are in the form of skipping time gates or pure cosmetics. I personally feel their monetization is fair for the most part.

All it all, it's a F2P game. Go ahead and try it if it sounds fun, and if you don't like it all you've lost is some time.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Genocidal space ninja FTW.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Should the article author be accountable for intentionally writing rage bait? Sources say "yes"!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The Guardian: "Should we hold gamers accountable"

Also The Guardian: "Anti-gender ideology is one of the dominant strains of fascism in our times"

Real "We Demand To Be Taken Seriously" out of the UK paper of record.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Classic Guardian!

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (4 children)

No, this is beyond ridiculous, videogames re not real life, they serve as an escape from relaity

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It's still pretty dumb. What Senechaud is proposing is that not far off from the Hayes Code. He's also suggesting going about it the hard way. Instead of simply proposing that players not be able to commit war crimes, he's asking that there be an in-game system that punishes players committing war crimes in accordance with international law. His stance is also based on the premise that video games now have realistic enough graphics that they could be used to fake footage of real war zones. In no way does a video capture of Call of Duty resemble reality, even when players are deliberately trying to behave realistically due to a combination of things like walking animations still being kind of off, especially when starting or stopping, and gameplay concessions, like bullets spawning in blatantly incorrect positions when guns are shot. It's really obvious he's never played these games he's complaining about.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

You say that, but Arma footage keeps being aired on the news.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Stellaris players have left ~~the chat~~ life

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Its not my fault if unwilling fungus people make really good workers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I've made people who've rebelled against the hive mind edible and genetically engineered them to be docile and delicious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Of course you have. That's what that game is for: creative war crimes.

On a side note, I recently did a tree of life plantoid budding build, they grew SO fast. I got big quick, started being really nice to everyone, integrated or vassalized lots of neighbors without having to fight much at all. I called them the vegan borg.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

How many egalitarian democracies do I need to make to pay off my determined exterminator debt?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nah this can't be a real article.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Ah yeah Arma had an entire expansion on this theme. Press, Red Cross, and civilian playable models. It's actually a pretty cool concept.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Oh cool, so you get medals right?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Given how many times I genocided entire nations in Civilization, I guess they'd better send me a one-way ticket to Nuremberg.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (3 children)

I am always the good guy in games! If anyone asks…

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

"Everyone liked that"

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm surprised Rimworld hasn't been mentioned here yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Two types of people out here on the Rim. Colonists and hats.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is why I only play zombie shooters. That way I'm only killing the concept of death.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You could also say you're a doctor fighting against an epidemic.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

racks shotgun the doctor will see you now

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Does this also apply to more fantasy oriented war games?

No, the ICRC is talking about video games that simulate real-war situations. It is not suggesting that this apply to games that portray more fictional scenarios such as medieval fantasy or futuristic wars in outer space.

A few media reported that certain virtual acts performed by characters in video games could amount to serious violations of the law of armed conflict. Is this correct?

No. Serious violations of the laws of war can only be committed in real-life. A person cannot commit a war crime simply by playing a video game.

https://www.icrc.org/en/doc/resources/documents/film/2013/09-28-ihl-video-games.htm

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

PDX players too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

is it a war crime to hit the griddy to the tune of cantina band after killing someone?

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