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Isn't FBI too high level to prevent swatting? Seems like if the local police are getting sent out, any solution would have to happen at that level instead.
Like if the local PD couldn't figure it out with 43 reported swattings on the couple mentioned in the story, how is a national database going to help?
This is what's killing me. How can they NOT be keeping track?
Any one, from any where in the world, can do it.
Between VPNs and VOIP phones, it’d almost impossible to sort out whose legitimate and whose not without showing up.
As a short term fix, people who are frequently swatted, usually coordinate with the local/responding cops so that if there’s a call at their adress, they call first before breaking down doors
As a shorter term fix, not murdering people based on a simple phone call would also fix the problem.
That's insane, what's next? Not killing the dogs, not destroying property, and maybe even getting tried for crimes they committed!
Yeah this was my thought as well.
The problem here is pigs murdering people without evidence.
I'm not confident the FBI is going to solve that problem.
Being "scared" is all they need to commit murder...
It's not nearly that simple, though.
that a bomber might set off a bomb if cops showed up and asked if everything was okay.
Or that abusive spouse whose menacing their partner with a kitchen knife and tossing around the kids might start getting all stabby.
over twenty-thousand people in the US have died THIS YEAR, so far, from gun violence. there's been over a hundred and fifty mass shootings. Ten million adults in the US and far, far too many children, are victims of domestic violence.
You are thinking of this problem from the premise that the call is false. the reality is the cops have no way to know that, and the safest response- for everybody involved- is in fact coming in hard and fast and ending whatever is going on.
Yes a few people have died.
yes, it is an extremely traumatic experience.
YES, cops- generally speaking- really should stop killing people. We can agree on that.
The alternative to cops not repsonding to reports of bombs, of domestic violence or active shooters.... is letting bombers bomb shit and letting Stabby Mcstabberson continue to beat the living shit out of the rest of the McStabberson Family, and letting assholes run around killing people.
Look at what happened in Uvalde. 911 call reported an active shooter. cops responded. Active shooter was found in a school. Cops didn't go in... kids died. More kids died than if responding officers had followed decades-old protocol of going and engaging immediately.
Yes, I get the outrage. I may even agree with it. We should not have to live in this shithole of a world. But we do, and it's not as simple as "well, we shouldn't do that."
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When has the SWAT team ever helped anyone?
This is not a rhetorical question. I'm genuinely curious as to how they have helped people because I don't really understand what they do besides steal drugs and resell them. They certainly don't seem to help with active shooters or domestic violence that I've ever heard of. Totally open to being wrong though.
probably far more often than you or I hear about. I know in our local city they're hitting warrants up on a weekly basis ("Warrant Wednesdays". They fuck it up it's going to be national news for months. they do their job the way it's supposed to be... nobody even knows they really exist, right? except the bad guys and the courts and other cops.
I don't know how often the whole "barricaded subject with hostages" happens... but I do know about that one time where I had a belligerent guy waving a knife around- they probably saved his life compared to what other cops would have done. (i work in contract security. this was years ago when I was still sitting a post.)
I'm not saying they're perfect... but there's always going to have to be somebody, armed in that way. utopian societies don't come from dystopian societies. Utopian societies frequently become dystopian.
Sometimes I'll listen in on police radios and you will hear officers sigh like, "Damn, not this shit again" cause they recognize the address they are being sent to for a call and remember the guy from just a few prior meetings.
And now these cops are being sent to the same couple over 40 times and are like, "Oh ummm gee, I wonder who these people could be".
I honestly think the real reason is that most of these cops want these calls to be true, because they get sold on the idea that being a cop is cool and about fighting crime when 90% of the job is super boring.
I remember hearing that a canadian twitch streamer kept getting swatted, moved to the UK, then someone tried to do it to her again, instead a single police officer showed up just to make sure she was alright and said it sounded like a prank call
What training for your job does to a MF.
judging by the lacklustre assistance Tomlinson has been getting (as per the article) it seems law enforcement doesn't care that their resources are being horribly put to waste by these incidents? You'd think it would be dealt with the utmost urgency.
That assumption is predicated on law enforcement being willing to publish statistics on their actions. You can't have this work without that. Considering how often SWAT teams are unnecessarily used and the military tactics they employ, the results will be unflattering to police departments.
Of course they don't want their time wasted, but they won't trade transparency and accountability for it.
It feels wrong to use the word "prank" with this. Isn't there a better word they can use?
"Attempted murder" seems appropriate
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VOIP has more or less reduced phones to the status of email and other internet services. It's amazing that there weren't more trust provisions put in place for verifying phone numbers prior to the shift away from the old phone lines. The militarization of police is bad too, but it's amazing that there was a technology change that removed a point of trust from something as important as the phone system and 911 calls. It's a truly bizarre situation we find ourselves in, and frankly I'd rather we went back to the pre-VOIP days at this point.