I switched to protonvpn recently and it seems pretty good, I was getting a lot of websites blocking me when I was using PIA and that seems to not be a problem with proton.
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Personally I don't trust Proton. I know I'm paranoid, but can't be too sure about anything these days. To my knowledge MV and IVPN are the only ones with a nice privacy reputation. Shame they are cutting port forwarding
Proton only started logging his IP after they were legally forced to do so, just like any other law abiding company would have to do.
Proton offers an onion site of Protonmail which the activist should have been using since he allegedly committed
theft and property damage, crimes - the latter two - that enable surveillance
this is a case of user error and bad opsec, not a company bending over backwards to share their users information. If you're going to do things that are likely going to get you arrested, no matter how noble the cause, make sure you have excellent OpSec
To add to that, email and vpn are different. It's easy to force logging of a specific email address when forced to by law, but doing that based on vpn ip address only is more problematic
and iirc Proton took the Swiss government to court after that and won a case reclassifying email legally so that they can't be forced to disclose IPs like that again in the future
This is huge, would love to see any other info on this.
Here's an article about it:
Can’t they just log your account? You have to have an account with Proton to use their VPN. They can absolutely log your activity such as logging in, when you connected/disconnected, to which servers, and, more importantly, where from exactly (your original IP address)
Proton doesn't keep logs by default unless legally forced to.
Law enforcement would have to know the email account to make them log it. If they know the email account you're using with ProtonVPN then thats user error and bad OpSec.
In the example you linked, if law enforcement didn't know the guys email address then they couldn't have forced Proton to log his IP.
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I suspect ProtonVPN will remove port forwarding soon enough. Mullvad had valid concerns with removing port forwarding, and I expect the industry to agree. I'm not sure what the answer to this problem is.
Some people here are saying i2p may be the future https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/259433 Sounds like Qbittorrent is planning to provide i2p support too. So hopefully port forwarding won't matter as much for future releases.
The main issue with I have with how the current i2p implementation works is that it essentially creates a walled garden in the torrent network, as i2p users can't seed out to non-i2p users, they can only leech from them. I feel like that would needlessly split the network, which relies on having as many people as possible seeding. Frankly I don't know if its even possible to work around that, but I'll need to see how it plays out. Also, there needs to be at least one person with a port forwarded on any given torrent. utp only peers cannot seed independently, from my understanding.
I think i2p or something similar where people can run a router and provide bandwidth to the network and help hide what other users are downloading (which is how i2p works but its not super fast sadly)
I saw someone say that Proton implemented their port forwarding in a different way than Mullvad that negates a lot of the issues that caused them to axe it
Hi, I looked into this and from what I can gather, ProtonVPN gives out temporary ports for port forwarding. I'm not 100% how long these ports are leased for, but as long as you run a script like this to move your torrent client's port around to match ProtonVPN's, I can see how this would work. It's not perfect, but it's workable. I wonder if Mullvad will implement something like this to achieve parity.
Yeah that sounds right. I use Proton and the ports are randomly assigned when you connect. I just manually put the port in qbittorrent each time, it's not too much trouble.
What about Windscribe? They seem to have port forwarding available.
But they fixed the issue, and documented on why it happened and how it got fixed on their blog. Pretty transparent to me.
Yeah, they fixed things and owned up to it, best you can do when you fuck things up: https://blog.windscribe.com/ukrainian-server-seizure-a-commentary-and-state-of-the-industry-e71e8d205b26/. I feel like people give them too much shit for this, just like with that Proton climate activist case
Agreed. Though Proton was barely affected since everyone started to dickride them for all their other services. Unfair treatment, but that's what the privacy community does nowadays 🤷
It's refreshing being on Lemmy and being able to see a good discussion on vps with (unlike reddit) no bot comment spam and no users engaging in paid shilling.
AirVPN! Been a customer for 7-8 years.
Edit: I see AirVPN was mentioned by op in its post. Regarding it being “not private enough” and reports of users receiving DMCA notices: I highly doubt these reports are correct, and even it they were, I don’t think it would be the fault of AirVPN. From a technical perspective AirVPN is excellent. They offer every feature you can imagine and allow you to work with native WireGuard, OpenVPN or their own client.
But this technical freedom might lead to some misconfigurations out there, like DNS leaking due to not enforcing changes to resolv.conf etc. if you’re not that technical, use their official client.
Big fan of Air. The owner is a cool guy, they support privacy orgs, and the VPN itself is great.
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Is AirVPN out of the question? They’ve still got port forwarding
No public audits - I don't trust. Italy is also not exactly a privacy (and personal rights) haven.
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IVPN is getting rid of forwards!? Shit I just bought a year worth after mullavad stopped their port forward.
You keep ports until September (forgot the date). I would recommend looking at Blackhat/scene VPNs if you want port-forwarding and a low chance of them disappearing.
Sept 30th. Ya, I set a alert. Thanks.
AzireVPN added port forwarding, it’s also sweden based but lags the audits
Torguard supports port forwarding. I'm not sure how it ranks in privacy though.
I bought 2 years from them a while ago but was required to:
- enter an email
- use my address to purchase
Good product though. Horrible SOCKS5 proxies though, almost 90% downtime. Not to foremention the horrible support from the admins - the normal support was amazing though.
Really up to you if you want the compromises, though there are better VPNs for privacy out there.
I moved from mullvad to ivpn and now again on the lookout. I guess i2p is “the future” but right now I’m not sure how that works with private trackers.
Whilst you can still torrent without port forwarding I don’t think seeding works right?
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Honestly i don't really use port forwarding at all but it sucks its being removed, we need more privacy in this day and age.
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