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For example, could alternative terms like "carbon reducing" and "carbon increasing" make it more clear and avoid misinterpreting which means which?

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Ngl I've never heard anyone ever refer to "carbon negative" as "carbon positive" in my entire life until today.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I've seen it, I think, on some brand of milk, where the advertising on their bottles said they planned to go "carbon positive" by some year. Unless they were just being intentionally sneaky in an attempt to sound good while promising to do nothing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Literally never heard "carbon positive" and I've been following this space since before some of you were born. Smells like some bullshit to me.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I don't get where you think those terms are confusing.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Not OP, but I imagine "carbon negative" sounds negative because it has the word "negative" in it.

When it fact "carbon negative" means you're reducing carbon, which is generally regarded as a positive thing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It sounds like OP has heard people say "carbon negative" to mean that something outputs more CO2 than it consumes, and vice versa, which is contrary to how I hear the terms used.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

“Our approach to carbon is negative for the planet”

Though I agree it’s not really used in this way.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

Carbon Capturing and Carbon Emitting?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

You've probably heard people use the term wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Sounds like bookkeeping where you have to know what half the book you are on before you decide if the negative sign is good money or debt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Carbon credit and debit in double entry book keeping. Genius. It's likely how an actual carbon credit system would work and the entire reason for the confusion.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

How about "positive carbon negativity" and "negative carbon positivity"? As a bonus, this allows us extra terms such as "negative carbon negativity" and "positive carbon positivity" which can be similarly confused for each other!

(On a more serious note, "carbon reducing" and "carbon increasing" are good.)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

(Net) reducer/increaser make sense, yes. I haven't seen "carbon positive" a lot: in reality, we assume most of our activity frees CO2 (or whatever else), so it's almost redundant to point out. When it doesn't, or actually causes a net reduction in whatever pollutant, that's a Big Deal and we needed a term for it. There's not much practical room for confusion: same as how a "positive" medical finding might be really bad news, it's all context.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Anti- carbon negative and anti-carbon positive.

“AC -“ would be “bad” and “AC +” would be “good”

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I thought about this for a while, but can't think of any term that is sufficiently specific, easy to understand, and can't be greenwashed away.

Maybe more terms isn't what we need?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

"This plant is carbon bad while ours is carbon good."