this post was submitted on 24 Jun 2024
88 points (100.0% liked)

United Kingdom

4011 readers
122 users here now

General community for news/discussion in the UK.

Less serious posts should go in [email protected] or [email protected]
More serious politics should go in [email protected].

Try not to spam the same link to multiple feddit.uk communities.
Pick the most appropriate, and put it there.

Posts should be related to UK-centric news, and should be either a link to a reputable source, or a text post on this community.

Opinion pieces are also allowed, provided they are not misleading/misrepresented/drivel, and have proper sources.

If you think "reputable news source" needs some definition, by all means start a meta thread.

Posts should be manually submitted, not by bot. Link titles should not be editorialised.

Disappointing comments will generally be left to fester in ratio, outright horrible comments will be removed.
Message the mods if you feel something really should be removed, or if a user seems to have a pattern of awful comments.

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
top 10 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago

If my train costs more than it would to drive, park, and pay congestion charges, there is something very wrong with the system.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the outcome of Capitalism . Even the new Open Access Operators are no guarantee of sustainable salvation. As Capitalism in a free market will always seek to acquire and merge. Or out compete and destroy competition.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This isn't capitalism, it's more cronyism where the government takes on all the risk but outsources any profit to private companies

If it were capitalism, the full system would've collapsed over covid where there weren't enough passengers. If it were socialism, it'd probably be largely the same given the number of lines that do lose money, but at least the profitable ones like the London-Birmingham/Manchester routes would be adding money to the government instead of private companies

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I would argue that cronyism is a symptom of capitalism. Regulatory capture and buying off politicians is a damn fine return on investment.

This is not to say communism didn't also have it's problem with corruption and bribes.

Without proper oversight, any human run thing is subject to this universal law: humans are lazy and greedy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cronyism is a symptom of any (not even the) class system, not capitalism. Those with power (ie those charged with administration/lawmaking under communism, those in power/with sufficient capital under capitalism) abuse their power to give more power to their friends and those like them. The only cure is openness and transparency in book-keeping and policy-making, but that's not an economic ideology but a political one.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Nationalise the lot, dump in the billions we need to get it back to scratch again.

Infrastructure always makes its money back in growth several times over, before anyone thinks of replying we should spend the money elsewhere

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

And the amount of effort required to get a refund is ridiculous. Back and forth emails resulting in a cheque in the post 2 months later

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (2 children)

………that sounds like an outrageously high number dude

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

I read it and was like “140 isn’t too bad”. Then I noticed it said per day, wtf?!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

~~Every 10th train basically.~~

~~(For people who have a hard time with %...)~~

Edit: should have read the article. It is up 9%, my bad.