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I’d love to be wrong here, but i think we’re totally fucked.
If during the debate, the building had collapsed and accidently killed everyone in the room, Americans would be overjoyed at our luck.
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This strikes me as a pretend leak kind of story.
Fake news?
Not necessarily, it's just a common tactic in politics to "leak" something to the media to make a positive story seem more credible by making people think it's some hush hush secret.
So it may well be true, but I suspect the messaging is coordinated by the Biden campaign.
This whole media narrative of "Biden should step down" is all fabricated.
All fabricated to help trump.
Trump should step down. Oh ya, we know he won't and it would just be dismissed by the people it should matter to. This narrative of Joe stepping down is an attack designed to go after people with morals and standards. Which is sad, that being principled will be exploited by our so called 4th estate.
Only someone voting democrat can agree in ernest that someone with limited mental capacity should not be tasked with the job of president. Why this is true, is the entire problem.
This is turning into Succession
I understand I'm voting for Kamala Harris with my vote for Biden, but I don't think she could beat Trump.
There's a lot of independents still on the fence between Trump and Biden (for some reason) and I think that anyone who's even entertaining the idea of voting for Donald Trump would never vote for a woman of color.
So, unfortunately because we're so late in the election year, I think we'll have to vote for the old white guy to keep the old white felon out of the Whitehouse.
The only silver lining to all of this is that they'll probably both be dead before the next election and we can firmly remember to take age into account in the next primary if Biden wins.
If Trump wins there won't ever be another primary or general election and I think a lot of people lose focus on that because Biden is 2½ years older than Trump.
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86 years old if he get reelected and makes the full four year and Trump would have 82 years on him by the end of his term if he won the election
Keep the elder abuse going.
Staying in and keeping fighting is a lot to ask from a guy in his condition. Maybe he could drop out and keep fighting, or possibly stay in and quit fighting. Those would both be easier, and it doesn't much matter at this point anyway.
All signs point to stay in and quit fighting. Brace yourself!
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There is no other space filler. We need Biden to run! But we really need a candidate for next time.
Is anyone voting for Biden because they really love him?
He could be replaced at the snap of a finger and it would not cost votes.
As much as I don’t think Biden should run at his age, you’re basing the “changing the nominee now wouldn’t cost votes” on nothing whatsoever. There is a proven benefit to incumbency. I don’t like it, but it’s true. And the other massive question mark is who does a majority of the country like enough in the Democratic Party (that the Democratic Party actually wants being its nominee) to just install? Because you also have to factor in the mileage the right would get out of “the Democratic Party’s nominee was installed like a dictator!” shit. No to mention the optics of a party elite-chosen candidate. You can’t say a change wouldn’t lose votes without a definitive other candidate to compare to and without considering the optics.
So basically, what you’re saying is mostly just nonsense. This is a terrible situation for us to have to be I . But we’re in it. No use pretending.
I am voting for Biden because he's a good president.
He could not be replaced at the snap of a finger, he's had an extremely active first term and already pursued and heavily invested in najor progressive reforms.
Unnecessarily replacing a candidate 4 months before the election would absolutely throw the election to the conservatives.
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If there is a next time
Somebody should tell him he's listening to the wrong people here.
The time to switch candidates was 6-8 months ago. It's too late at this point, at least for US politics. Too many "undecided" voters seem to think they need a year to get to know a candidate.
If they were to switch from Biden, Trump would win in a landslide without having to say a damned thing or remind anyone he existed between now and then.
This country is fucked.
Interestingly, according to the most recent Ipsos poll where they polled different candidates against Trump, every major democratic candidate lost in the polling to Trump including Kamala (who did poll I think one point better than Biden), some by a lot...
Except Michelle Obama, who won in the polling against Trump by 11 points (50-39), i.e. by a landslide. I was pretty surprised by that.
I think it's probably because she generally wasn't publicly political during her husband's Presidency, or after. She did what was expected of the First Lady, didn't do anything too controversial, and that was about it. And there's likely a lot of people that want Obama again, but he cannot run, but if she's there obviously his counsel would be as well.
It's not too late. Imagine if Biden actually had a health crisis between now and November and had to drop out. No way would the Democratic party not galvanize to find a replacement.
That's an entirely different situation voters would be responding to, and they would only be doing it because they would have no other option. Even then, it 100% would end up being Kamala Harris and a running mate they scramble to find, only because they need the name recognition. Those are totally different circumstances, extremely obvious and avoidable, but still technically not under their direct control like the entire cycle up to now.
What we have now is the party's unwillingness to accept that Biden needed to be told not to run again, so we could get a real primary and voters actually deciding. They are only now starting to question the shitty decision when it's becoming glaringly obvious that an 80+ year old shouldn't be running again and younger blood is needed.
The party is run by the old fucks though, and they don't want to give up what they have to the younger generations. Look at AOC's seat, it's the perfect encapsulation of the DNC's belief that the old fucks should be running everything.
AOC handily beat Joseph Crowley in the primary with 57% of the vote (against the #3 Dem at the time, a 20 year Congressional veteran, it's unprecedented), and he still refused to drop out. Instead he stayed on the ballot under a third party where he again lost, with only 7% of the vote. 7% despite being the "safe" politician, with 20 years experience, #3 in the party, the incumbent with all the name recognition in the world, being challenged by an upstart young female "bartender". The old fucks don't want to give it up, and will do anything to prevent that, even losing the election entirely to the Republicans, because they aren't doing it for the country, they're running for themselves.
Ya, he should have never sought re-election, but it's past that point.
Back then we were told "But no party has run a different candidate when they had a setting president that was eligible for reelection." There was never a choice.
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