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[-] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

For some reason Liberals become Ultras when criticizing Socialists. Liberals get the supreme benefit of careful nuance, contextual analysis, and critical support even in the face of genocide support, while Socialists are endlessly purity tested on vague senses of moralism, rather than Materialist analysis.

Liberalism and Idealism go hand in hand.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

I'd go further and argue that liberal ideology is a direct product of idealist thought.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Which came first, the philosophy, or the Material Conditions?

In this instance, Idealism predates Liberalism. However, come the foundations of Capitalism out of Feudalism, Liberalism became the new idealist status quo.

I don't think it's quite accurate to say Liberalism is a product of Idealism, but that Capitalism as formed from Feudalism required an Idealist ideology, that being Liberalism.

So it's more of a parallel advancement in thought, not that Liberalism came from Idealism and then Capitalism came. That's a very "ideas focused" frame of analysis.

Correct me if I misunderstood you and we are saying the same thing.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Yeah I agree with that. liberalism provided an ideological framework that justified capitalist revolutions that overthrew monarchies and replaced them with dictatorships of capital. I agree that all these ideas are ultimately intertwined.

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