Dutch volleyball player Steven van de Velde on Paris Olympics team 8 years after child rape conviction : worldnews

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I see no problem with it. The corrections facility worked. I am of the belief that criminals are the product of poor social conditioning, and that the correct behaviors can be reconditioned.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You believe pedophilia is a product of poor social conditioning?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

At the very least it should be classed as a mental illness and treated as such. Nobody chooses who or what they're attracted to, and those suffering deserve help, especially when they've not acted on it (the guy in the post also deserves help but also needs punishment for his actions on top of it)

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Yes. Every human has an "id" or animalistic desire. Part of living in a society is giving up part of those desires so we can all thrive. People can change, it's part of what make us human.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How do you know the corrections facility worked? I feel like it would be easy to say the exact things you are supposed to say.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If a person does their time, they should be done with punishment. Whether or not the punishment fits the crime is another thing entirely.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sure, but I dont think the facility actually changed anything about the person.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don’t think

Based on what though?

[+] [email protected] -10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Based on it being nearly impossible to change these sorts of things. If you want to have sex with a 12 year old, you cant just make that go away (without pills).

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I think the point of corrections is to make them never do it again, regardless of their desire. I mean, I want to save the world from billionaires. And if I did it once and was “corrected,” that wouldn’t remove the desire, it would just prevent me from doing it again.

Neither of us know the corrective actions, the terms of release, or even the details of the crime. It’s not really fair to continue to punish them because some people want to do it.

That said, I sure wouldn’t trust him around kids, and I think that scenario should be covered in the terms of release.

[+] [email protected] -15 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I stopped at "save the world from billionaires." Dude, you seem reasonable, but just stop listening to all the dumb people, they lie to you.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Be more specific.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

This is a huge issue, but the billionaire thing is just a class warfare too to keep people fighting and not looking at the government that causes all the issues. Then that would lead to how we are a kind of corporate oligarch government, but this is a long conversation that just starts with you getting your news from somewhere else.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What do you think oligarch means? Who do you think is controlling the corporations?

[+] [email protected] -9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I get what you are saying, but then why do you keep voting for the same polticians that give us the same thing?

The problem is the government is so large it will be influenced by people, the only way to change this is to drastically make it smaller.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

What do you mean, there's only 2 real choices and one is absolutely Repugnant and the other is just Disappointing. Voting 3rd party is a waste of a vote, independents will never win no matter how hard bad actors try to split the vote from Democrats. So you either vote D to maintain Status Quo and try again to slowly change the system or Vote R and lose more freedoms.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago

We both realize both parties are bad so if you live in a state that will go to one party in paticular then vote 3rd party. What 3rd parties can do is to force candidates to do things we want. If there is 10% 3rd party, they have to pander to them becuase that wil sway the election.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The government is own by the rich.

Where should I get my news from?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The government is also owned by regular people. For example where I live there is not a single rich person controlling the government, but it is the biggest thing that gets in my way. On the federal level its owned by the rich, but local level is different and can be more impactful.

Where do you currently get your news from?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same place you get it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I really doubt that.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why are you keeping it a secret then? I did ask.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago

Its not a secret, I just think you are asking to try to mock me and I dont really want to waste my time.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Why have a correction facility at all if you have no belief that it works? Corrections facility should focus on social reconditioning not punishment.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago

That would be good if it worked. We probably agree but I think it should just make them into people with a purpose and have a life worth living. I dont think we can change how they feel, but we can do like the military does and give them purpose and direction.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Still wouldn't choose him to represent my country....embarassing to be Dutch.

Atleast Dutch people know they can rape kids and be an Olympic hero within 8 years..

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Maybe don't say that? I mean he has been corrected and if I'm not mistaken it wasn't exactly rape either. She wanted him to do what he did. And age wasn't completely clear.

This is not right I agree, but it is a bit more nuanced and seeing everything in black or white is a problem you yourself should fix.

Also, before the gaslighting starts. I do not condone rape or pedophilia, it's not up for debate. I do believe in a righteous system. The Dutch are not America, so don't pretend they are.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

t wasn’t exactly rape either. She wanted him to do what he did. And age wasn’t completely clear.

What a fucking gross thing to say. A 21 year old traveled to another country to have sex with a 12 year old. No.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

he play so good tho

[+] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Bro you're gross. 21 year old travels to another country and has sex with a 12 year old. This was not a technicality.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I understand why it’s important to call statutory rape rape

sounds like you don't actually.

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