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[–] [email protected] 92 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

But the times are not tougher by themselves, they become tougher because of capitalism itself. So it was Homelander all along

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"I'm the natural evolution of unchecked you."

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (39 children)

Even checked Capitalism results in fascism, as Capitalism is entirely unsustainable and eventually results in the crisis that enables the rise of fascism.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

Fascism is simply the conclusion of capitalism. Antifa is a bunch of socialists because socialism is the only cure. Anticomm and Fascism have so much overlap as movements because they're the same movement. Even in the historical context of the first rise of fascism, who took the reins of power was people promising the capital holders they'd protect them from those scary laborers. And do you know what we don't talk about enough in America? We don't talk enough about why fascism didn't take hold here. Its because in the 1920s the capital holders had seen what would happen in America if they tried to do a fascism: the coal miners rose up in violent revolt. We had what legitimately qualified as a civil war in West Virginia with the labor movement. It's one of only two times american citizens on home soil have been bombed by an air force.

My concern is this: we don't have enough people in this country right now who love their brethren enough to stand against fascism. I ask everyone to do this: look at the Black Lives Matter movement. Realize what the African American communities right next to you are doing to resist the police brutality they experience, the fascism they are already experiencing and resisting. Join them. Link arms with them. The reality is the antifascist movement in America is nothing new. How we prevent fascism from rising is we make sure the violent weirdos know we are many and they are few. Make sure they know they don't have the man power to take over

[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 months ago (21 children)

Fascism is simply Capitalism when the Capitalists succeed enough

[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 months ago (3 children)

Not entirely.

Germany wasn't having a very successful economy when Nazism started.

Nor did Italy or Spain.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That relies on the assumption that what's good for the economy is good for the capitalists, they always make sure that capitalism occasionally goes up in flames to take advantage of social unrest.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

That's the point.

In Germany there was a battle between left and right back then. The economy boomed in the 20s and faltered in the 30s. Capitalists saw the threat of socialism looming just behind Poland and so they supported fascism.

The Nazis funneled billions into large businesses. It was unsustainable and morally multi-level wrong, but they skimmed a lot of profits from these agreements. They got rich, while the economy started to collapse - even before the war.

Even after the war, most of them got away. They kept much of their wealth.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 4 months ago (5 children)

From the peanut gallery, aka me..... Most business are run under a more fascist principle.

I'm not talking about how the business operates in the market, or whatever.... I'm talking about internal organizational behaviour.

Things are often very "my way or the highway", with management, owners, etc.

Of course, not all businesses, but most follow some fairly fascist ideologies. They'll tell you where to be, what to bring, what to do, when to stop... And hey, where are your papers? .... I mean... Where is your company issued identification card?

They'll watch what you're doing, monitor and surveil you as much as they are legally allowed, govern every moment that they can, of every day you're working there.

Capitalism and the pursuit of profit is their objective, the governance is fascist.

Business leaders engage in fascism.

.... Why are we surprised that this brain rot is leaking out into actual politics? Trump is literally known for running businesses.... Mostly into the ground/bankruptcy, but still. His whole thing is him being the boss. The ruler and Lord dictator over his tiny island. How are we so surprised that he's a fascist? Shocked picachu

The best move the Nazis made was convincing everyone that yeah, the Nazis lost and are gone forever.... They're literally hiding in plain sight.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It should be of little surprise (and much more widespread knowledge) that just about everyone with money in the 1930s financially supported the actual Nazi party, including but not limited to Henry Ford and George W Bush's grandfather.

I actually disagree with the meme; capitalism is always fascism, just sometimes has a better PR team.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

sometimes with a better PR team

Which is a big thing in The Boys. The company and The Seven™ are all about that PR.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 months ago (3 children)

More like fascism is just what comes next after late stage capitalism if it makes it that far.

Don’t worry, feudalism is still the end game.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (6 children)

Also a result of the inevitable decline of Capitalism and Imperialism, which is what we are seeing in America, a desparate and incorrect ploy to "turn the clock back" to the "good old days."

It can't be beaten electorally, it will remain until it either succeeds or Capitalism itself is escaped and we transition to Socialism.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I actually watches the first season of the boys recently. Killer show. Its stunning that any real person could have ever looked up to Homelander in any capacity.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago

Oh, believe it or not, that gets even worse! Some people are insane.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

Fun fact: The nowadays conservative (and IMO right leaning) German CDU has originally considered capitalism to be the reason for outbreak for WW2. They wanted to form a new Christian Socialism, which would've united Christian ideals with a socialistic (not marxistic) economy. The so-called Kölner Erklärung was written in 1945 as a basic idea for where Germany should head from perspective of the CDU.

These ideas didn't last for long and got replaced by a conservative fiscal policy. But it is good to keep in mind that even in the CDU there were people who recognized that capitalism ultimately has a strong tendency to fuel fascism. In Nazi Germany, the main capitalists worked closely with the NSDAP - Krupp, Bosch, Hugo Boss (who famously designed the Nazi uniforms), Volkswagen were all lead by rich capitalists who saw (and gained) profit by the actions of the Nazis. It makes me sad that even the SPD, the so-called Social Democratic Party, long forgot what it means to fight for socialism and equality, and instead embraces neoliberalism with a touch of social politics.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

It makes so much more fundamental sense for the followers of Jesus to embrace socialist values as opposed to the tendency of Christians to follow both conservative and capitalistic politics.

I'm an atheist but I was raised Christian Catholic and the stark contrast between the religious texts and parables with the actions of the average Christian or the Church was a great contributor to my rejection of religion. I still see value in some of the teachings (be nice to others, people before material things) and always took them closer to socialism values than the Supply Side Jesus right-leaning Christians adopted.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ToUgH tImEs BrEeD ToUgH mEn

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

God I hate that so much! Yes Brady, you are the tough guy who will safe us all while being afraid of plant based food and pronouns.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago

Dont forget the red scare whenever capitalism even thinks about faltering to remind us all of the evils of just giving hungry people food or letting them see a doctor.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago (4 children)

Dam, i fully slept on The Boys. Thoughts its just a Watchmen 'supers in real life' rip off. First season on par with Breaking Bad for me

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

It's brilliant IMO (I haven't seen the latest season but the one before ... season 3 did feel like it was losing its way a bit).

The thing with mainstream super hero stuff is that it seems to very much about supporting the status quo without really examining it. Generally, the MCU has been pretty guilty of this AFAICT. It's also why Winter Soldier is probably the best MCU film IMO ... Captain America becomes "the enemy" by standing up for his principles and destroys shield.

The Boys is about examining the status quo and so stands out massively compared to all of the other mainstream superhero stuff.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It's just too fucking dark for me. I don't dislike a gritty show necessarily but I couldn't make it through more than the first few episodes. It seemed good, but damn I have plenty of problems and shittiness in my real life, I like my entertainment to make me feel better, not worse. 😀

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Imo the second season gets even better, I'm obsessed rn

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

superman would obliterate homelander

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (1 children)

"Who are you?"

"I'm you if Batman didn't have a ring what makes you a removed ass"

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