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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Anarchists fundamentally accept this (even if they don't admit it sometimes because they are liberals cosplaying as anarchists/leftists). Their argument is that communist (in their mind, Stalinist) states replace capitalist oppression.

They even argue for their anarchist society enforcing revolutionary change through citizens organizing to stop reactive elements or set down rules on how the local community will operate, ie a form of civil oppression.

Their idea is still bollocks, since they think that replacing "communist state oppression" with "anarchist civil society oppression" is morally different. The only real difference is that one of these oppressions is organized and capable of defending the revolution and achieving communism, while the other isn't.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

very much agree

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This framing is leading me towards a much more succinct and simultaneously deep critique of anarchism which is approximately that it replaces class struggle some other struggle.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Incidentally, you might enjoy this read discussing how implicit authority and abuse of power arises in flat organizations https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Oh, totally aware of that essay for sure.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Anarchists have plenty of criticisms for the oppressive hierarchies in civil society -- it's really in conversations with communists where they focus heavily on the state, since that's where anarchists and communists have their main point of disagreement.

Libertarians are the weirdos who need this observation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago

Libertarians are the weirdos who need this observation.

Tomato tomato.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago

So anarchists are pretty reasonable folks