Technology

I think you're definitely in the majority on lemmy with this take but i agree.

I have a "smart tv" that has never even seen WiFi because i prefer having control over my hardware. My media pc is all i need. I even got a little remote for an air mouse and keyboard combo that works just fine for me.

What an A+ ad, doesn't even show which restaurant LMAO

Haha FUCK

I'd fuckin give up watching media at all if that was my only option

I got an ad like the a month ago, made me start looking at alternatives. I haven't found one besides Apple TV that supports all the streaming services, is made for a TV, and doesn't have worse ads. I could handle content ads for streaming services I didn't have, but just straight TV commercials on my hopepage? Get fucked Google.

Wrap the chicken in bread and then wrap it again!

Well they're discontinuing the OG Chromecast and Chromecast w/ Google TV for this. So you're probably right.

https://www.theverge.com/2024/8/6/24214471/google-chromecast-line-discontinued

Never invest too heavily in Google anything.

Not to mention the AppleTV is just...a good product. It's really inexpensive for being the best streaming device for the masses on the market. Updates aside, I don't think Google could even make a competitor that's on par.

All of my TVs have never seen an internet connection.

I don't want this device, or one like it, because it's proprietary and there are good, open "streaming/media/PVR device what connects to a TV" devices out there. I can get HTPC hardware and put Kodi or MythTV on it.

But.

This isn't a TV. It's a device that connects to the Internet on one side and to the TV on the other, like a cable box.

For me, at least, there's a very large difference there. I absolutely do not want a TV that connects to the Internet for a long, long range of reasons. I want a TV that is a dumb display. I want it to be a good display, but just a display.

• All-in-one devices need to get thrown out when some part of them is obsolete. The streaming aspect has been rapidly changing, as well as the computing aspect. Sometimes new security issues arise. Sometimes new functionality (like wireless) arises. Dumb displays, in contrast, can often serve for a very long time. You can use an old, analog TV quite some decades after its manufacturer has gone out of business. I want a modular setup, not an all-in-one, given the considerable disparity in when each component is likely to become obsolete. Same thing with stuff like building Android computers into cars -- that Android computer is likely going to be obsolete long before the car is mechanically obsolete.

• A "smart" TV sees and can act on everything that you're viewing. An attached box only knows about what it is outputting to the TV.

I'd also add some other points, not specific to the all-in-one aspect.

• You may not want to use a commercial streaming service at all. But if you do, I'm not aware of any that offer a no-log policy. I mean, personally, I get a lot of good out of YouTube and would happily buy YouTube Premium if I could be certain that it'd come with a no-log policy, but what Google's selling, as best I can tell, is no ads. If I pay for YouTube Premium, it just reliably links my financial information to my profile. I don't want that. And the same is probably, though I haven't gone through and audited them, true of other streaming services. Frankly, if I were to buy one, I'd rather have any such service that might be data-mining me on a little box that only talks to my TV and the Internet, not living on an Android device or personal computer that I use.

• Even if a company doesn't do ads, they'll likely outsource it to someone. Like, even if a company offers a commercial service and has premium, ad-free service, my guess is that they will probably also have an ad-supported mode of operation to appeal to customers who don't want to pay the fee. I mean, most television in the US, even in the pre-Internet era, traditionally has been substantially ad-supported. If a service cannot insert ads, then people have found other routes to get ads in front of people's eyes, like paid product placement in the actual media that you're watching. Even if I were going to watch ads, I'd rather have them separate from the media that I'm watching than worked into it.

Yeah, it's not cheap, but if you were willing to pay (like you would with an Apple TV) and want Android, it's a pretty easy choice.

If only Apple added support for bitstreaming I’d replace my Shield with an AppleTV in a heartbeat.

Don’t get me wrong, the Shield plays everything you throw at it. The hardware is great but the software is so janky. It’s often slow to respond to input, it needs a reboot every couple of days because it just gets more laggy and choppy over time. Sometimes it just forgets my TV supports Dolby Vision until I reboot it. Support from Nvidia seems to have dried up as well.

"That CPU bump probably means this thing still falls short of the Nvidia Shield TV and Apple TV 4k" Which is just pathetic. I left my Shield for the apple TV. The processor performance is just better on ATV. It's so much more pleasant to have snappy response times in these devices. Slower than shield sounds awful to me. I also noticed better speed test times on my ethernet ATV than my shieldpro ethernet.

It's arguably getting long in the tooth, but I've had no complaints about my NVIDIA Shield Pro.