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[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ok but let’s stop blaming people for buying places to live and recognize that a larger problem is corporations buying properties by the dozens and using them as sky-high rentals or just a place to park money.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

No corporation should be able to own housing. Corporations aren't people.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm okay with blaming nepotism. I also want to point out the other problem is the vast majority of new housing builds in cities is entirely luxury condos. You can't fix a supply and demand issue if you never address supply.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Calling that nepotism is a stretch imo. There is nothing wrong with borrowing money from your parents for a down payment just like there's nothing wrong with your parents paying your tuition.

The problem you highlighted - luxury development - is a significantly bigger issue. And that's less of an issue than corporate landlords.

Then there's private rentals which I'd say is the biggest factor involving individuals (not companies)

But a 28 year old borrowing money from dad is a drop in the bucket. It feels unfair to me to place any blame on them at all

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It highlights the fact that own housing is not affordable for many unless you have wealthy enough parents to cover the downpayment.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 year ago (13 children)

I don't get it.

I understand the current housing market is messed up, but parents helping their kids putting a down payment for their house is dystopic "nepotism" now? Wouldn't you help your loved ones if you have the means to do so even if you are not super rich?

Would it have been better if they told their kids to pick themselves up by their own bootstrap and get a 30 year loan from big banks instead?

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You said that you don't get it. The point isn't that people are evil for helping their kids, the point is if the housing market is running on the assumption that houses are worth what a family plus their parents will pay for them, regular families won't be able to afford houses. If everyone agreed that regular young families should be able to afford a house and didn't rely on older mom and dad for money, houses would be more affordable for everyone.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I couldn't read the article because of the pay wall, but did they say what the 40% is an increase from? I know I got some help from my parents on a down payment in 1995, and it wasn't super unusual then.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (24 children)

only rich kids being able to afford houses is dystopic

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe the point is that people need nepotism to afford a house

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I hate this term ... giving your kids money to help them start out on their own isn't nepotism, it's parenting.

Nepotism is when you violate a responsibility you have to a third party (e.g., your employer) to act impartially in their interests, in order to benefit your family.

Is the idea that parents should donate their money equally to everyone's kids? This makes no sense.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (15 children)

You don't even need to have super rich parents. My mother helped me get my first home with 15K that she saved throughout the years. (I paid her back).

That was just enough for my down payment. Without that I couldn't have gotten the house.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think the issue is what if you have no parents or parents with no money (or negative moneys). You could do everything right, go to school, get a professional job, and still not be able to buy a place.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The housing market is definitely fucked worldwide. Many don't have parents with money and can only rent or not even move out of their parents house.

Some of us got lucky with minimal down payment from their parents 5-10 years ago. Its just ridiculous how the market changed in such a small time. Like the houses are still the same, the population did not grow exponentially. Wtf is going on?

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (7 children)

There’s an element of “be fiscally responsible and you too can save up” but more often than not, the answer is “make more money”.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (11 children)

So your house was somewhere in the 75k to 150k range? Average home prices where I live and work are 800k. That would mean a down-payment of 80k to 160k. You would absolutely "need to have super rich parents" to get that kind of help. I'm happy for you that you were able to secure a home of your own with the help of family. That just isn't a simple reality for most most people who don't have super wealthy parents where I am from.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Borrowed 3k from my bad didn't have to pay back. There is nothing wrong with getting help from family to buy a home. Fuck this article. The housing issue is caused by large corporations who are buying up all the houses along with interest rates keeping average person from buying a home.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (12 children)

God, if only people could just like pool their resources together to build homes or something...

We could even call it something like "social housing," and have it be a publically regulated service instead of treating housing as some sort of game of investment for the wealthy? No no, totally impossible...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Even going back to the way things were in the 70's where workers got a fairer share of the products of their labour that wasn't leeched away by non-productive shareholders would make a huge difference. There's a reason you could buy a house on a single income when you had 5 kids back then.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And again, the corporate media is blaming anyone but real estate companies and market speculators.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago

That's not nepotism. Nepotism would be some land baron giving land to his kids, or a city official changing zoning to allow their family member to build something otherwise restricted.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a clickbait title. How is giving your kids money "nepotism" ?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Technically any advantage gained from family/friends is Nepotism. It's not purely bad ethically until you're talking about leadership and/or critical positions (like safety supervisor at a factory).

The fact that Nepotism is required to enter the middle class is not a healthy indicator for our society though.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

That's really not technically true. The term "nepotism" originated from Catholic bishops and popes granting their unqualified nephews lucrative positions in the church ... it's always been seen as unethical, and has only been used to describe behavior perceived as unethical.

The dictionary definition of nepotism is "favoritism (as in appointment to a job) based on kinship."

This is a troubling signal of income inequality and social immobility, sure -- but it isn't nepotism.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Don't worry, I was trying to buy a house with my parents this past year. Even if they sold their current house to help, we couldn't afford what we'd need (3 bed 2 bath) since they don't have a ton of savings and only one of them is working still.

So even with help, some of us are still too poor.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

I got 20K from my parents for my down payment when I was 45 and they still had to co-sign for me to get approved. No way in hell I could have gotten the house without them.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll definitely be buying my children houses, with all that tons of spare money I have around. Piles of it. Yep. Sooooo much money

Seriously, who are these people that can fork out $100k to each child? I don't even have retirement savings, and I'll die on the job, with any luck! #genx

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shit. I was in my 40s and it took a generous gift from my parents to buy my first house

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

My father did the same. He said "This is your inheritance. I'd rather see you enjoy it while I'm alive."

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

There are home buyers under 30? Shit I can barely afford to eat.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The country is ran by geriatric nepo babies... If you are not one of their crotch fruit, good luck, peasant! You are going to be experiencing a lot of that "free market" in your ass.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Almost reads like the author is fucking mad other people have rich parents who have the brains to help the very humans they created and brought into this life.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I for one support the revival of neo-feudalism and the divine right of kings, seeing as that is how the housing market is trending towards.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Yeah the market sucks, but being salty about parents financially supporting their kids ain't it

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago

I'm not upset at parents helping their kids, I'm upset that we have a system that relies on you being born in fortunate circumstances to have a decent life.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Well I’m pretty mad that I’ll never be able to afford a house, despite having a good solid job. My parents aren’t rich, so they can’t help me. And while I’m not mad at them for not being able to help, I am mad that all other things being equal that puts me at a disadvantage.

Here’s a hypothetical scenario: Let’s say I make $60K a year, am single, with significant student debt. Let’s also say because of the pandemic payment pause, maybe I was able to save, like $5K, and I want to buy a house. Not gonna happen. Now take all the same things but add in well-off parents who could help with a down payment. That hypothetical person gets a house. They have a definite advantage. To me, that’s not just unfair, it perpetuates a system of wealth transfer that only helps part of the population. Everyone should have the same opportunity to own a home, if they want to.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Don't forget the tightening of lending rules going on. Even if you have the down payment, most will not qualify for the mortgage unless they have some one co-sign (bank thinks you can't pay $1000 mortgage, so you have to pay $2000 rent).

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

My wife and I had enough for a down-payment but my parents leaning me $10k at a lower rate was helpful, vitally getting rid of the PMI quicker.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Only 40%? That seems....not true.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Helping kids with their down payment isn't exactly some new thing.

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