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Bluesky has gained a million new users in the last three days.

The platform posted about the milestone this afternoon, which it crossed after Brazilian Supreme Court Justice Alexandre de Moraes ordered a ban on Elon Musk’s X yesterday as part of an ongoing feud with the platform.

Apparently, enough are headed to Bluesky to drive its iOS app to the top of the Brazilian App Store, as TechCrunch writes.

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[–] [email protected] 380 points 3 months ago (16 children)

I'm sad that a lot of people couldn't perceive the mastodon in the room.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mastodon isn't a straight replacement for twitter, bluesky is.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 months ago (5 children)

From what I can tell from within the Mastodon echo chamber: quote replies and moderation

[–] [email protected] 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Sure, but there are other ActivityPub protocol softwares that have quote replies and moderation, that aren’t Mastodon. I think the challenge is getting the average user to seek out an instance running one of those softwares and not just mastodon dot social.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Problem is there's no marketing money to make the better platforms more widely known because there's not as much monetization of the users to fund it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm perfectly fine being part of a community not driven by capitalism. It means there's a lot less incentive to create spam bots. I also can't run my own BlueSky instance, but I can run Lemmy/Mastodon pretty easily, just like an email server.

Edit: I didn't realize BlueSky was also federated, but just using a different protocol. I don't think that was an option back when I set up lemmy.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

Also a bunch of hinky weirdness and slowness.

The Technology Connections guy (Alec) threw some shade on Mastodon yesterday that seemed like a good example:

My favorite thing about Bluesky is that I haven't gotten a stream of notifications that I've been tagged in a post on a weird fork of the software which my client doesn't parse correctly so I only see one side of a conversation.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Federation is a pretty straightforward concept once you understand it and have basic knowledge of networking and software. However many people (apparently the majority of people) find it to be too complicated to understand.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Mastodon is a bi replacement for twitter.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Finding the right mastodon instance was incredibly annoying. I use it, but barely. Most of the artists I follow are on Bluesky, anyway, which is a lot easier to use.

[–] Rose 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mastodon allows you to transfer your followers when you migrate, so it's not a big deal if you change your mind about the first instance you had chosen.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (3 children)

You lost an average user at "instance", long before "transferring an account". It's a big deal.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

the last time I tried to make a mastodon account I had to type a paragraph about why i want an account and then wait for an email approval and I don't know what the hell happened because I forgot to look for the email and by now I don't give a shit

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Wait people didn't join Mastodon as well? Just Bluesky?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

That's actually a good question. Surely Mastodon and Lemmy instances should have also seen an uptick in registrations?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago

I saw some posts on Mastodon yesterday celebrating an influx of Brazilian signups, but it was pretty modest compared to the massive exodus to Bluesky. Which, honestly, seems about right and proportionate. (I love Mastodon, but it doesn't feel like a 1:1 replacement for Twitter the way Bluesky does.)

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Frankly? I'm happy that they didn't end in Mastodon. Most of those users would have negative value there, and in the Fediverse as a whole.

Twitter was always a cesspool of assumptive, entitled, whiny, nationalistic, context-illiterate users, who'd spend most of their time finding reasons to screech at each other (and at you) than sharing interesting content. That's regardless of language, but it was specially egregious among Brazilian users there. And it got only worse when Musk bought it, as suddenly the alt right users felt themselves justified to soapbox nonstop there.

Most people with a shred of dignity got the fuck out of that shithole ages ago. The ones not doing so were, most of the time, the ones saying "this is fine, this is how it's supposed to be". And those are the ones migrating to Bluesky now.

Someone might say "but we could integrate them into Mastodon. They'd behave better." Well... we're talking about a large horde of users, they'd be more likely to bring the place down than let the place bring them up. Eternal September style.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Early in, the Fediverse gained traction with people that were banned from Twitter and others when it had moderation besides for the word "cis" and to suppress leftist viewpoints. Now that Twitter has none, those people have crawled back alongside with the crypto bros, but the bad name generated by gab, truth social, etc. still prevail.

Also people are way too dumb to realize what an instance is (people already have trouble realizing e-mail is not a tech invented by Google for Gmail), defederation dramas, drama around loli, no algorithm "to suggest the users whatever they interested in", less users, generally fediverse apps being way less addictive, etc.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)

way too dumb

Or, more likely in most cases, don't care and don't want to care.

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[–] [email protected] 132 points 3 months ago (22 children)

Non-twitter is fine in any form. Real progress is gonna be going to Mastodon, although that's hamstrung by user-unfriendliness.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 months ago (5 children)

user-unfriendliness.

I can't really disagree with this, since I've personally seen folks make a casual attempt and bounce off Mastodon, and it comes up enough online that it feels like it has to be true, but at the same time I've got this reflexive skepticism since I'm an absolute idiot and managed to figure out how to have a good time on Mastodon and really enjoy it. (I signed up in the spring of 2023, though, so can't speak to earlier times.) I think I'm probably closer to the normies than the stereotypical tech-literate Mastodon person. So I really wonder what it is specifically that frustrates folks enough to just give up on Mastodon when I, an amiable doofus of the highest order, love it so much.

I have additional Thoughts on cultural issues that might disappoint people who were expecting Mastodon to replicate whatever specific era of pre-Musk Twitter they yearn for, but it can't *just *be that. There has to be some technical barrier a lot of folks are stumbling over, right?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I think I’m probably closer to the normies than the stereotypical tech-literate Mastodon person.

Just from the fact that you are here, it is statistically likely that you are much closer to the tech literates than the normies. Can you search for a specific email in your email inbox? You're already way ahead of many people. You are severely overestimating the technical literacy of normal people.

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[–] MoogleMaestro 18 points 3 months ago

In reality, mastodon doesn't achieve the same dopamine hit by design. This is both a good thing (less addictive, more conversational) and a bad thing (less retention, more opaqueness in statistics) depending on why you want to use or don't want to use social networks.

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[–] [email protected] 122 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bluesky has gained a ~~million~~ brazilion new users...

I'm so sorry, it was right there. And yay for Bluesky!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago

As a brazilian, I'm now deeply offended that the ISO does not recognize brazilion as a valid amount

[–] [email protected] 87 points 3 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The fediverse is seeing an uptick as well. Els enshitofication continues. Good for us I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (3 children)

I had originally been 100% against Bluesky because of Jack Dorsey, but when he got so steamed about them doing things like actual moderation and left entirely back to Twitter to pettily suck up to Musk, I really started feeling like maybe Bluesky might not be so bad after all.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Create, Grow, Moderate, Sell, Repeat.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 3 months ago (18 children)

What are blueskys current userbase numbers, mastodons current userbase numbers, and are they federated with each other?

[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 months ago

are they federated with each other?

no. there's a sort of a third party bridge, but it requires an account on one platform to follow a bot in order to show up on another, so if someone on Bluesky doesn't explicitly do it and you're using Mastodon, then you're not going to connect.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago

Two competing federation standards. The VHS and Betamax, or Blu Ray and HD-DVD, of 2024.

[–] TacoEvent 24 points 3 months ago

Bluesky: https://bsky.jazco.dev/stats Mastodon: https://fedidb.org/software/mastodon

There isn’t a 1:1 comparison. But the closest comparison looks like Mastodon is on a bit of a decline at 800k MAU. Bluesky is roughly 400k daily likers.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago

Wow. Good for Bluesky.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 months ago (8 children)

Downloaded it. Signed up. Replied to a post about rechargeable batteries. Account got restricted. Left.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 months ago

I am fine with this.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Blue Sky is the only one that allows porn and has no defederation drama, so I'm not surprised people went there. Instagram even put a banner telling people to try out threads but who would trust Zuck?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

I can't help but pronounce it like a Slavic surname.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Can someone explain to me the difference between bluesky and twitter?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

Bluesky is built on an open source ActivityPub alternative called "AT Protocol". However, Bluesky itself is not open source* and afaik does not yet federate with any other software. The company is a "public benefit corporation".

From my understanding, Bluesky has good moderation, to the point where Jack Dorsey (the Twitter founder) condemned it and withdrew from the project. That's a big plus in my book.

  • Another commenter pointed out that some parts of it are open source, such as the apps and at least some parts of the backend. Im not sure to what extent the backend is open source.
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[–] dch82 37 points 3 months ago (4 children)

One is going down the drain first

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