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u/AyyItsDylan94 - originally from r/GenZhou
Why or why not? I've been struggling to understand fascism and am curious.

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u/ProlesOfMischief - originally from r/GenZhou
No. We should not allow our scientific worldview to be infected by the use of the imprecise, hollow language of liberals to transform serious analysis into buzzwords like "authoritarian" applied to anything we don't like. We are Marxists.

Fascism emerges with the collapse of liberal democracy and it's failure to deal with crises of capitalism in the face of a growing workers' movement. An "open, terroristic dictatorship" is needed to put down such movements. The result is bourgeois democracy itself is suspended and there is an open war against organizations of workers' power. This does not in fact apply to the United States. Until now liberal democracy in the U.S. has retained the ability to destroy workers movements and overcome economic crises (not well mind you, even by bourgeois standards, but enough to fend off the type of catastrophe that would threaten government) without fascism. Ingredients are forming however (bourgeois democracy becoming dysfunctional, growing labor solidarity, an economy on Fed money life support), so there is cause to worry.

Too many people on the left seem to think that to deny the U.S. as fascist is to pay it a compliment. This is erroneous. Fascism isn't a synonym for "bad", and saying the U.S. isn't fascist isn't saying it's not "as bad" as fascist Italy or German fascism. Bourgeois democracy is quite capable of the sorts of destruction and violence associated with fascism and even surpassing it. The U.S. is many things (imperialist, the primary obstacle to any global workers' movement) and should be opposed with the same conviction as opposition to Nazi Germany was in our ranks, but it is not fascist. Yet.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

u/syn7fold - originally from r/GenZhou
If our standard of fascism is Nazi Germany then what would be colonial genocide of 100 MILLION Indigenous people. The enslavement of Africans…like slavery wasn’t just WORK. It was human trafficking that ripped families apart and destroyed dozens of African cultures and languages. Slave owners would eat their slaves and sell babies as alligator bait. America’s Jim Crow was so bad, that Nazi POWs in Texas were appalled by the mistreatment of black Americans.

The US isn’t a fascist state, but is the BLUE PRINT of white supremacy, Neo-colonization and 20th Century Fascism. Hitler was inspired by Jim Crow

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago (1 children)

u/applejuice72 - originally from r/GenZhou
Do we have a source that clearly substantiates 100M? Not that I don’t think the US engaged in the systematic murdering of Indigenous people, but that number is industrial levels of efficient murder even if spread across 100 years evenly. From what I understand the spread of disease is what did the majority of it which, I don’t know if that constitutes as literal genocide in that sense which would have started with the Spanish more so than the American government. However the Spanish forced them into abject slavery and total subjugation.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 years ago (1 children)

u/parentis_shotgun - originally from r/GenZhou
Ward Churchill estimates that the North American Indian population went from 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900: "a vast genocide.. the most sustained on record."

It was nothing short of organized, expansionist, settler-colonial conquest. I also highly suggest reading an Indegenous people's history of the US. You can find the audiobook on torrents.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 years ago

u/applejuice72 - originally from r/GenZhou
That person said ONE HUNDRED MILLION. Not that those numbers are paltry you gave, and I know that’s exactly what I am trying to say. To go from 100M then from 12M to 237k is quite the difference if I do say so myself and I am not denying the settler expansionist involvement in that.