Only the salary ranges for a position become public. They arenβt going to publish what they pay each employee.
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And if itβs anything like California the ranges will be useless. My salary βrangeβ is quoted as $80k - $170k. Real fucking useless.
so you get paid $80k right?
$81K because they have 5 years experience in a technology that has been out for 3 years.
My salary is between $1 and $10000000
I've looked at some California ranges. They tend to be well below what levels.fyi claims these companies pay (I'm thinking Netflix, Microsoft, Google).
I'm assuming they lowball the range in the ad so if they get a candidate that doesn't fit the original criteria they were thinking of but they still want to onboard, they can pay less. If they get a candidate that they really like, maybe they'll pay more? I know we're supposed to be all doom and gloom here, but there's plenty of folks making ludicrous salaries in tech.
Thats true, you can ask the average salary for the role within the firm though. Having seen the pisstaking done in America with ranges, they got out ahead of it.
Netflix Salary Range: $3.50 to $900,000
Salary range: Illegal - Fantasy
I assume there may be some cutoff point, but what if you have a low number of people in the role say for example 2. Wouldn't that be pretty much narrowing it down to being per employee?
Interesting..... Look forward to seeing how it goes. Hope the gender pay gap does collapse but I'd say we are still a generation of workers away from that being a reality.
Knowing what your coworkers are getting paid lets you know how much you can reasonably ask for.
And knowing what folks at the job down the street make means you can quickly determine whether its worth the trouble to find a new job.
Also probably doesn't hurt to know what the folks upstairs are making when you're deciding whether to form a union.
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Gender pay gap uncorrected for working hours, position, ...? Or the corrected one?
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I wonder if this could help the IT workers from the public sector in Germany (E12, around 2500 β¬/month).
Anyone knows why it is like that?
Once, I heard about some speculative extra amounts made by guarantees in purchases. (Germans love guarantees, and any hardware purchase has a 50% surplus that can easily be split 1:1 between vendor and whoever was in charge. Yes, it would be illegal.. But nearly impossible to prove.)
I work in the Dutch public sector in IT, but with a few years of experience, I'm already beyond 4k/mo.
Sounds like the union isn't pulling it's weight...
In this case the Unions and HRs rigidity could be part of the problem.
They tend to make groups based on formal qualifiaction. E.g. all trade apprentices get similiar salaries, all trade masters, all bachelor degrees and all master degrees (simplified).
So a person with just a formal trade apprentice, but great experience and proven know-how will still get a much lower salary than a recently graduates business degree "idiot" who mostly managed to study based on his parents pushing him through.
I've seen Job ads for cloud experts, who are supposed to organize an infrastructure over multiple data centres, running hundreds of different services in a heightened security environment offered around 3k. The Operations people said that this does not need a masters degree, because they didn't want to filter out all the self taught people, and then HR and the Union reps said this is a trade level position so it gets a trade level salary.
From what i understood with the complexity of the IT landscape they would have needed to offer more around 6-7k to find people.
You're net salary is beyond 4k? Are you hiring?
Those jobs exist, and are hiring. My company (US-based, Software, between 1k and 10k employees) is hiring architects in Germany (anywhere, 100% remote) for significantly over 4k net. Starting salary is over 100k, plus a nice RSU package (4 year vest with 1 year cliff). Other similar companies offer comparable compensation packages.
We do require a quite wide tech knowledge and good communication (customer interaction is part of the job, sometimes public speaking). It is not as relaxed as public sector, tho, most weeks are over 40h. Some traveling required, too.
If anyone is interested feel free to ping me (full disclosure: Iget a 5k USD referral bonus if you get hired and pass the Probezeit).
Ping. Contact me via PM please.
Got the knowledge I think, but not the spunk for the hours. You wouldn't hire 4 days a week would you :-) ?
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It's gross, not net. The net amount is like 3200.
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E12 starts at 4.170,32 β¬ gross and up to rises 6.516,74 β¬ depending on experience. That is gross. That is for a job, which is low stress and you can not be fired unless you pretty much commit a crime on the workplace.
Maybe government IT in Germany is low stress. Maybe the average in my country is also. But my department surely isn't low stress. Could be because I work at a research institute that has been leading the charge into public cloud?
There's also the possibility that the definition of stress differs. I'm in an IT position where I control most of my schedule and pace of work, I work at home without much supervision, and I'm very much a trusted employee. That means I have less body stress and other stresses than a large amount of people, but at the end of the day my mental stress can still give me headaches and wear me out (and of course real life stresses. I'm paid pretty well for the company I work at, but it's still kinda low to be supporting myself and a family member still trying to find employment).
Here in Washington State it has had some effect. At my work, we had many people leave because their salary wasn't on the high side of the range even though they were more senior. We also had hiccups in hiring because candidates come in asking for the high end salary but then their experience is abysmal to say the least. But then you train this person for 2 or 3 years for them to actually be of any use, and they leave because now they got something to chase a higher salary with. A small company can't afford to raise salaries all the time, specially if it's for people who are in training and don't even know it. Anyway, to give you a clue, if you fuck up like 5 times and nobody gives a shit, you're still in training. However, if you think you're gonna fuck up and upper management call a meeting to discuss the status, then you should probably ask for a raise.
Oh but back to the topic. It's good! And you don't have to wait for the government to divulge it. You can legally tell anyone how much you make. And you should do that. Specially to younger people.
Article 9.5 of this directive leaves the door open for each country to decide whether or not to require companies with fewer than 100 employees [β¦] to publish this information.
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