This is great and all, but any EV with a decent charge is expensive as shit. I’d rather just have decent public transit.
this post was submitted on 08 Aug 2023
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They're coming down, it's new technology, it takes time. The Chevy bolt starts at $26k and has a 259 mile range. The Nissan leaf is similar, albeit a little less range. Even the F-150 lightning starts below $40k and the ICE equivalent is around the same.
You can buy an older BMW i3 for $12-15k with a 70-100 mile range. No you're not driving cross country with it, but you can certainly putt around town with one.
Of course the i3 is ugly as sin and I would never own one. But I have friends that have two and love them. I'm keeping an eye on the used EV market and waiting until the right style/price point to get one that has a 100 mile range to get around town.
As an EV owner, the total cost of ownership in terms of maintenance has been lower. No oil change, belt changes, or fluid replacement.
Wouldn't it be far better to compare fuel cost per mile ($/mile)? This graphic seems useless to me. Maybe I'm missing something.
@Hopscotch @mmatessa I can only speak for my situation but we've crunched the numbers.
Per mile it is half the cost per mile than my wife's ICE car if I used only public chargers.
If I charge exclusively at home (which I do 99% of the time) it is a third of the cost per mile.
This is in Canada though, where gas prices are very high.
I did the numbers for Alberta a long time ago when electricity was really cheap and it came to 1/9 the price of gas. But that was cheap coal which we really shouldn't have.
Great, but when are we actually going to redesign our society so that we don't need cars? Electric Vehicles are not a path to lower emissions overall, and are also only "green" if you measure tail-pipe emissions and ignore all other aspects of vehicle ownership.
Not to mention the market costs of EVs.
EVs are a path to lower emissions, yes measured all aspects from cradle to grave. I mean c'mon this has been so well established you're just lying. Yes we also need to get rid of car dependent cities.
EVs should also last a long time, far longer than an ICE vehicle. So overall costs are actually lower, though yes the initial price is higher.
EVs do not last "far longer" then an ICE vehicle. The oldest EV is <15years old and Tesla doesn't even support the original roadster anymore. They are built to be disposable so that Tesla can keep selling cars. Plus EVs have a large ramping costs in terms of batteries that far exceed anything an ICE vehicle will ever have. Even with battery recycling, which doesn't actually exist yet at any significant scale, you still don't have a standard design that is expected to work on any other vehicle model then the one it came with. This means that eventually there will be as many battery "types" as there are models of EV, and that also means charging won't stay universal either. So eventually an old EV, say ~20 years, won't be able to use public charging infra, even if the battery problem was sorted out.
When I see people advocating for EV's I see people who don't care about the problems cars cause.
Lol electric motors are so simple they can last a million miles. Batteries are the hard part, but you can swap batteries and Tesla was even aiming for a million mile battery. But you want to wahhhhhhhhhh the literal first production vehicle had problems lol.
Way to not address literally any part of my post. I didn't even bring up the problems of the original roadster. I said that it IS NOT SUPPORTED anymore. Meaning that it's life was <15years, which is NOT "far longer" then any ICE vehicle.
Then you just gloss over the meat of the post which is that batteries are an incredibly expensive and wasteful part of the cost of EV ownership, and that problem still hasn't been addressed in >20 years of EV development. You think we can just "swap batteries" as if that isn't an absurdly expensive procedure that most car owners cannot do on their own.
I didn't bring up [problem], I changed the wording to a [different problem] lol.
Batteries improve, you already have Tesla working on a million mile battery. Recycling will come, you're just wahhhhhhhh it's not here yet. It's all wahhhhhh it's not 100% right from the very start of the literal first production vehicle wahhhh!! You may continue your wahhhh rage, that's all it is. Peace.
Learn to argue, you sound like a child.