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so a common claim I see made is that arch is up to date than Debian but harder to maintain and easier to break. Is there a good sort of middle ground distro between the reliability of Debian and the up-to-date packages of arch?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I guess I'm kind of confused as to the debate between Bleeding Edge vs Stable. I get the concept on paper, but what packages are so imperative that you need a Distro that is "Bleeding Edge". I run Pop_OS and it works great on my hardware(System76 so it kind of has the home field advantage). I have an old laptop running LMDE that doesn't ever need rebooted and it has every package I need for it to accomplish its job.

Others have given better advice than I will, but maybe determine why you need something that's bleeding edge. If the only answer is "Cuz Shiny new stuff!" I don't think it's needed that bad and tailor your setup for stability and functionality. I prefer Just Works Distros though. VM's are also a thing if you want to do some Distro Hopping

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Really? There aren't updates with new features that you look forward to? Ever?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That's Void Linux, exactly how I would describe Void...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My thoughts exactly. It may take more time to set up (I, for example, never got my laptop speakers working when I installed it there), and it may not have as much hardware support (a shitty old HP pre-built was giving me ACPI errors and refusing to boot; and yes, I had updated the BIOS), but update-wise, it's super stable, but also quite up-to-date. It's not crazy (kernel updates take some time occasionally), but it's a great experience, and the inclusion of runit is fantastic. Hearty recommendation.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

You might want to check if your drivers are in the nonfree repo for your speakers/ACPI...

My laptop need those for, let me check... the sound and the ACPI :D

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Atomic distros + distrobox/toolbx. Bluefin is a good start for general desktop or Bazzite for gaming (But Bluefin can be more stable, I use it for some games with steam in flatpak). If something breaks roll back to any release in the last 90 days with a single command. Install all of your packages in a distrobox (Arch if you need it). Otherwise in general Fedora is pretty good.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

+1 for bazzite, if I wasn't a NixOS cultist it's probably what I'd still be daily driving. Stable, easy rollbacks, keeps itself updated as long as you reboot now and then. Just a great experience all around.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Opensuse tumbleweed. The packages go through a testing process unlike Fedora AFAIK.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Several months ago I installed Tumbleweed on a VM just for kicks and giggles. A week later it refused to install updates at all due to some weird conflict, even though the system was vanilla to the goddamn wallpaper. In a week I try upgrading and magically the conflict is gone. I'll be honest, this was my only experience with Tumbleweed and it managed to have its update system broken in the meantime. I've never had anything close to this on Debian Unstable lol.

Not hating on Tumbleweed, on the contrary - I have been testing it for quite a while to see if it's as good as they say. But it doesn't look like a middle ground between Arch and Debian. At least in my short experience.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

From anecdotal experience I can only tell you that not once have I witnessed a showstopper bug on Arch. I recommend using btrfs and snapshots to really make sure however.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Debian with Flatpak and a Distrobox container running Arch is pretty good if you want a stable desktop with rolling packages.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm sure I'll get shouted down for this suggestion by the haters, but I'm going to make it anyway because it's actually really good:

Use an Ubuntu LTS flavour like Kubuntu. Then, add flatpak and for apps you want to keep up to date, install either the flatpak or the snap, depending on the particular app. In my personal experience, sometimes the flatpak is better and sometimes the snap is better. (I would add Nix to the mix, but I wouldn't call it particularly easy for beginners.)

This gets you:

  1. A reliable Debian-like base that you only have to upgrade to new releases every 2 years
  2. Up-to-date apps, including confinement for those apps
  3. New kernels every 6 months (if you choose - you don't have to, though)
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I have a gentoo desktop but for a convenient middle ground just put Debian on my laptop. It’s stable, things just work out of the box, maintainers/devs are competent, they haven’t drunk the snap/flatpack kool-aid…

Switching to Testing is always an option but I’ve not found the need to do that yet when I can install programs from a deb package or just compile from source and install it in ~/.bin in my home directory.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I'd say Fedora is the middle-ground. You get up-to-date software in a stable distribution with daily security updates, and fixed OS upgrades each year.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Fedora, Ubuntu etc. use up to date packages if you're using flatpaks and snaps. Nix I suppose fits the bill better but it's a harder distro to "learn" than arch imo

How about Rhino? Rolling release of Debian Sid iirc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

IMO Debian is already pretty far middle-ground. The packages are new enough for my personal usage.

[–] PancakeBrock 2 points 2 months ago

I've been using Arch for a year and nothing has broken. Did have to "fix" a lot of stuff after install because it was my first time using Arch and didn't realize all the other stuff I had to install... Mainly to get my Nvidia GPU to work. But a few hours later and it's been rock solid since.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Garuda. It's an Arch derivative that creates a snapshot of your system every time you update. That way, if the update breaks something, you can just roll your system back to the last working snapshot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

My recommendation would be Debian + Flatpak & Appimages (or + Snaps if you're the devil). Super stable, but also access to the latest.

Fedora is also a middle ground too, but they're pushing flatpaks heavily so it might not matter anyway since Fedora + flatpak and Debian + flatpak are about the same.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Debian Testing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (6 children)

Fedora is pretty good there, but I wouldnt use the DNF variants.

The atomic variants though totally rock. Atomic Desktops, IoT, etc.

The atomic model deals with all the troubles you would have with so new packages.

OpenSUSE slowroll would be a better middle-ground, but I have had strange broken packages and they dont have a useful atomic model, as it is not image-based.

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