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We are constantly told that solutions to some of the greatest challenges facing poor and working class people in the U.S. do not exist. Meanwhile, billions taxpayer dollars are being used to fund the genocide of Palestinians.

That very money could have ended homelessness in the United States.

Money for our needs, not the U.S.-Israeli war machine!

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

We barely kept from defaulting on disability payments to our own veterans at the beginning of October. But we've got all the money in the world to create more suffering. Including putting our own troops in harm's way.

FFS.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

http://costofwar.com

The site design could be better though. Human brains don't understand how insanely large those numbers are without a visualization.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 17 hours ago (14 children)

By all means, vote independent in state and local elections. We need more choices than a two-party system offers. If the candidate seem qualified, then help new parties establish themselves. Once they build enough followers to make a difference, we can start electing senators. Then the presidency becomes a serious option.

Unfortunately, there aren’t currently any third party candidates with a realistic chance of winning. The only responsible thing we can do for now is choose the lesser of two evils.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (2 children)

Unfortunately, there aren’t currently any third party candidates with a realistic chance of winning. The only responsible thing we can do for now is choose the lesser of two evils.

I don’t know anyone who thinks this is about winning. Everyone knows their third party vote isn’t going to result in a win for their candidate, and their candidate also knows this, and they know their candidate knows. When you lecture someone on what they already know, all you do is annoy them. You’re not going to get far with them if you don’t understand what their reasons really are. I can’t tell you; you’ll have to ask them.

One reason for some, that I think you can easily understand, is that unless you live in a swing state, it costs nothing to vote left of genocide. There is no downside, and it may make the Democratic party sweat enough to move slightly left. The party isn’t going to move left if they know you’ll always vote blue no matter who: all that does is make you a reliable and politically irrelevant punching bag.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 hours ago (3 children)

Swing states aren’t the only states that matter. Also, states “flip”, surprising even experts.

Do you understand how incredibly privileged your stance is? You’re willing to let a horrible person take control of the country just so you can make a point.

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[–] [email protected] -4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I wonder if Claudia should rebrand their logo (that they have in the bottom right hand corner of OP) to say something like “*swing state? Vote Harris”

There’s no way she wants 45 to become 47. So she must have some guilt about marketing herself and Karina where a swing state voter might accidentally help get a bad man elected.

(I don’t know anything about her but I’m trusting she has her heart in the right place and is alarmed at all the same things the average Lemming is)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

PSL is a Marxist Party. They believe revolution is necessary, and despise the Democrats and Republicans alike. They want their voters to vote in swing states to advertise their party platform and delegitimize the failure of the electoral system in general. They aren't pulling punches because, like all Marxists, they believe the Democrats are unacceptable as well as the Republicans.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago (26 children)

There’s a part of my brain that totally gets the logic behind needing a revolution to shake up the system, but then the other part of me is like, ‘Violence? Nah, hard pass.’ So I end up with this funny little cognitive dissonance. I’m all, ‘Yeah, REVOLUTION!’ and at the same time, ‘But let’s make sure no one gets hurt, okay?’ It’s like being stuck between a revolution and a group hug, if that even makes sense!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

This is not about winning. Putting votes on third parties is a long term investment. It directly shows both evil parties they are missing out on votes.

Votes they would have had if they changed their agenda.

Rewarding a "lesser evil" for not appealing to left wing voters will teach them they need to keep doing evil because that is what makes them win.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Need poors so that the middle class can think they will become the billionaire class and continue to support their needs

[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

Classes aren't income divisions, but social relations to production. The US, since WWII, has always been thoroughly dominated by the Imperialist Bourgeoisie.

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