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[–] [email protected] 132 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (4 children)

I am quite disappointed. Given the title, I was like, wow, a generalist PC gaming website recommending people to switch to Linux! Read the article, Linux is not mentioned at all, I don't even know why it is in the title. Getting a few clicks from hippies?

[–] [email protected] 44 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Like radically insidious man.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I made my move just recently. It was rocky, I ran into some issues and some of them were my fault.

I'm willing to put up with it currently not because Linux has gotten markedly better, but Windows has decided (yes, decided) to become significantly worse. Microsoft could have done nothing and I would have stayed a loyal, koolaid-drinking consumer of theirs.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 days ago (8 children)

As a Linux user this and posts like this piss me off. Linux is NOT and WILL NEVER be a replacement for any other operating system (except maybe Minix). By implying Linux is the same or similar enough to Windows you bring in Windows users who except everything to be the same. Fundamentally thats not a good thing for anyone, Windows users get confused and maintainers are encouraged not to deviate from Windows even in ways that make the OS better (for example KDE not going all in on tiling to appease Windows users). In my option Linux shouldn't be recommended to anyone. Linux software maintainers should focus on the core Linux userbase and people who want their OS to look and function exactly like Windows/MacOS should just use Windows or MacOS.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago (3 children)

This is...kind of stupid? There's such a plethora of options in the Linux space for desktop environments, workflow customizations, configurability, etc. nothing is locked down by taking a Windows-style approach to a DE. Instead it follows a tried philosophy that's only really been hampered by Microsoft's decision to funnel users into an frustrating hole that removes the choice to disable or modify features you don't like. KDE in particular has always been a Windows-style DE, and it's currently one of the best options for modern features and extensive customizability. Hyprland is literally designed for linux enthusiasts. Gnome is the Mac analog, Xfce is your light-weight but functional, etc.

You're upset because people are looking for more options? That's bizarre. I came from Windows, but I guarantee my setup is different than someone else who comes from Windows because that's the flexibility that's offered. No one coming from Windows wants it to be exactly like Windows, they just want to be able to use their computer in a way that allows them to work, to play games, to watch media, etc. It's a computer. It's your computer. It should be able to do what you want.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just did my install of Linux Mint. I have a number of complaints that are really the fault of Microsoft, other things tripping me up that are just about me learning differences; BUT I still find there's some things Linux could take as lessons.

One of them is keyboard shortcuts. I learned Windows shortcuts because they followed intuitive logic, like what role the "Tab" key has and what the Shift key is doing to adjust its action. Linux apps often make up their own logic around this, which even if it made sense internally, doesn't work with apps like Firefox which are still using Ctrl+Tab to switch tabs, possibly to keep Windows parity. Then, since Linux is supposed to be built to customize, if I try changing the terminal to switch tabs using Ctrl+Tab...it just doesn't let you; pretends you didn't press anything. Stock boot of Linux Mint 22.

You're right that they shouldn't be changing just for aping the dominating competitor; that's how we unfortunately got Chromium supremacy. I still think there's gentle UX considerations they could handle more often though. Basically the type of thing decided in board rooms that engineers would lose interest in.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

Only thing better than perfect is standard as they say, if everything uses the same shortcuts it doesn't matter if they're crap

I've kept most of the same logic from windows keybinds on my hyprland config because then when I have to use a windows machine it's not completely backwards

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I just want a OS, that just install and work for all the things I want to do, without installing other stuff, because I need it to play some game or whatever.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Sounds like nobara or bazzite to me

Or basically any distro and steam tbh

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 days ago (10 children)

For anyone who still needs Windows, I recommend you try the Windows 10 LTSC IoT variant.

It has support until 2032 and has all the bloatware ripped out. It's extremely good.

They even have a Windows 11 version. That's also really good. But I'm guessing if you've avoided upgrading to Windows 11, you'd prefer to stay on 10 anyway.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

here we go again...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (9 children)

Stop intimidating folks who just a computer that does work for them with "learn" linux as if linux is a programming language. Many linux distros are super user friendly and work exactly like windows UI.

Beside, why do you think iPhones, as dumb and as bloated and as restricted and limited and overpriced they are, still are the most selling phones worldwide year after year? It's because my 80 yr old mom knows how to use it.

Most people and professionals in the world just want a machine to do their work and are not intrested in learning progamming or command lines to do it. Nurses, doctors and surgeons, non-computer engineers, artists, business managers, ..etc, are too busy and occupied to even change the defaut settings or uninstall anything that comes with windows not because they love it but becuse not intrested and don't care. Add to those groups most, actually all, girls I've ever met in my life. They have different hobbies and learning OSes is not of them. It's like a girl saying "Soon Sephora will discontinue their HilightBrushExfoilioter and everyone who wants to wash their face needs to learn Mac's DeepBeauty routines". while dudes are like we know soaps but wtf is an exfoilating routine. Literally, they don't know what linux is, and it's not going to sell to tell them to learn.

So tl;dr: I'm saying the thing that sells would be Pop OS or Mint, or anything that requires the least or none learning curve.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I just wanna be able to play Rocket League on Linux. Is that so much to ask?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I literally used this as an example to demonstrate gaming on Linux is easy now

Works perfectly out of the box, all you gotta do is install steam, download it and click play

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You can through Proton still. It still is a Platinum game even though Epic fucked it up

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 5 days ago (12 children)

I keep seeing these " time to move to Linux" threads. For my work I have to use super proprietary software which I know for a fact is Windows only. Not only that it's GPU intensive CPU intensive and niche. I'm sure there's a way to run Windows within Linux but I can only imagine the pain in trying to get proprietary shite to work.

On top of that I need specific CAD software, Photoshop and Illustrator. I don't think any of these daily used programs support Linux.

From the outside, Linux just seems like an absolute ball ache to get working with all of the things I currently do without even thinking about it.

I'd love to do it. Not sure it's going to work. Am I wrong?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 days ago (6 children)

No, you are right. In your situation, Linux is just not an option - yet.

I think these posts are meant for the 95% of people that use a browser, and maaaaybe a mail client on their PC.

Photoshop/Illustrator will only ever get ported if enough people have already made the move that Adobe can't afford to ignore Linux any longer.

That being said, if those requirements are just for work, what's keeping you on Windows on your private devices?

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (4 children)

Different OSes for different use cases. You have a job to do. Just use Windows.

If you want to use Linux, use it on your own machines on your own time.

That said, there are a few things you can do if you really want to use Linux:

  1. Test if the app works on Wine, Proton, etc. Even GPU accelerated apps can work, depending on the software/driver stack.
  2. Run a Windows VM and pass-through a GPU. That way you'll get native performance on the app that's GPU intensive. Use KVM and the CPU overhead will be negligible.
  3. If you're doing 3D modeling/rendering, SFX, video editing or ML/AI, there are a lot of options on Linux. Some options that exist in Windows also have Linux versions.
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[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago

Thanks for this unqualified headline.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (6 children)

There's Windows 10 LTSC, which gets security updates til 2027. And IoT Enterprise LTSC, which gets security updates until 2032.

"But should you even use those versions?!? They are not meant to be installed on a desktop PC/laptop" - idk, it's either this or Win11.

For more info on how to install, check https://massgrave.dev/windows_ltsc_links

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (3 children)

For what its worth: I've been running enterprise since 2015 (when it was called LTSB) then switched to LTSC IoT around 2021. Its fantastic and doesn't have all the Candy Crush and other bullshit. I highly recommend.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

Last month, for the first time, Windows 11 was a more popular OS than Windows 10 in the Steam Hardware Survey. Of course, this is an imprecise science as people have to opt in to having their machines measured but it's a sign of wider adoption. Windows 8, on the other hand, never made it big enough to do the same in its lifespan. Windows 7 was a very popular OS and adoption even to Windows 10 was fairly slow initially, partially down to that skepticism.

You can't cite the jump from 7 to 8 or 7 to 10 without also remarking on the fact users had far more.control over updates back then.

Yeah, Windows 11 adoption is up, because most people don't have a choice, or they didn't care enough to stop it happening automatically, and don't know how to roll it back. That doesn't translate to approval.

At a certain point, adoption rates just don't matter anymore because increasingly the user doesn't have a choice anymore.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Pirate a copy of windows 11 N. It’s the eu version that doesn’t have any of this dogshit in it.

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[–] georgemoody 9 points 5 days ago

there are people out there still (willingly) using windows xp, windows 10 is gonna live on for the time being

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Title acts as if once it's stopped being supported, the fucker will vanish or be unusable at all.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago (6 children)

Real talk.

I have been around long enough to know that this conversation has happened ever since Windows 7.

And each time and every time an OS EOL I spend time investigating a couple of Linux distros to try that switch.

This time is no different. From Redhat to Debian to Ubuntu to popOS to Mint. Each one is significantly better than the last.

But even 2024, I'm having to spend time inside the terminal to make the OS act more like Windows.

Tailscale has no native app. Gotta install it in the terminal. I want to use my touch screen in the browser to swipe the back button. Nope, I spent 2 hours on forums and ChatGPT and had to install something in the terminal. I was not successful. My Nvidia video card is not working properly. I gave up after.

Why am I spending hours trying to make my experience like Windows when Windows is right there. Sure sure, privacy and advertising yada yada. Install Adguard and disable services that you don't agree with.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I deal with this issue every few years grappling with a new linux install. And then gaslighted into thinking it's a non-issue when asking for help. "No big deal, just copy these long lines into the terminal to install this thing that would take a single click on Windows". Like being obstinant is a virtue

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 days ago (9 children)

So you're saying you don't spend hours on a new Windows install?

Or that things that take a moment on Linux may take half an hour on Windows, but God forbid it happens the other way around, unacceptable?

I mean, things that take a single click on Windows are apparently not all you do to make Windows usable, otherwise installing it and setting it up would take less time, right?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago (13 children)

I only use the computer for word processing, internet, and playing roguelikes.

Fine. I guess I'll learn Linux 😒

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

For those use cases, there's very little actual learning to be done.

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[–] solsangraal 25 points 6 days ago (3 children)

the problem is so many office workplaces use windows and google, so unless you want to bring your own computer and buy a wifi hotspot to take to work, you're stuck on windows and google

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)

My work all takes place in a Linux environment. Unfortunately, my workplace still mandates using Windows.

I don't require any Windows software for work. My boss just insists that I must use a Windows laptop, then do all of my work either in WSL or a traditional VM setup.

It's baffling.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I’m a government contractor, so I’m stuck on Windows and Microsoft products for work. It really sucks, but the government ain’t switching to Linux anytime soon… if ever. At least Windows 11 Enterprise (or Government, whatever) should have a lot of this shit stripped out. I hope.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (12 children)

Serious question : My desktop is incompatible with Win11, I run Win10, and I use it for web browsing, Excel, and a little Word processing. Nothing else. Can't i just continue on as is? Not a gamer, not a heavy user...

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago

The problem with that is that vulnerability will be found and used. Since it's connected to the internet it will be exposed to attackers and could be infected with botnet viruses/tools and used to attack other computer/services.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

Literally everyone that "threatens" to "switch to linux":

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