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So rich kid with (probably) autism attacks two other rich kids in their…. Cabins (?) while wearing only his underwear with hammers and also a teacher that came to help. He claims he was sleepwalking. Badly injures them, gets minimum 12-life for the attack.
Every part of that story is wild.
The judge said the boy experiences an autism spectrum disorder ...
That's not for a judge to determine.
Edit: While the above statement remains true, reporting elsewhere shows:
Kerim Fuad KC, defending, told the court the defendant had also been diagnosed with autism spectrum disorder ...
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c781p92vdyko
Sloppy journalism from The Guardian here.
What makes you think that's not the judge just reading a medical professional's opinion?
Edited
Did the judge actually determine it, or did the judge just relay information given to them by someone else?
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If the judge said it then it would have been established fact in the case. This can be established by evidence and found as fact in the case, or it can be part of the agreed facts of the case, in which case the court doesn't waste time hearing evidence. All it takes to become agreed fact is for the defence to present it as part of their case and for the prosecution to not dispute it.
In that context the finding of fact by the court is more than enough for the paper to report on it, and the two versions presented by you of it being said by the defence and by the judge, are entirely compatible with one another. Nobody is going to demand to see the boy's medical history to verify an uncontroversial point like this. That would just be a waste of time.
The papers presented it as stated by the defence and the judge, they said nothing false or misleading, and I don't see any problem with that part of their reporting.
Now, if you have an issue that it was reported because it casts autistic people in a bad light, the issue becomes whether you think it's something the papers should leave out. Well, the defence considered it important, and it became news. Not much we can do about that after the fact.
I don't get why this is sloppy. They didn't say he diagnosed him with autism, only that he said he experiences it.
You jumped to conclusions and are trying to blame them. I certainly did not interpret it the same way you did.
The fact that it can be interpreted in multiple different ways makes it sloppy. Should be more explicit.
Yes, noone who has read anything has ever made a mistake in their interpretation.
Sloppy journalism from The Guardian here.
Aww, bless :)
wearing only his underwear with hammers
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and also a teacher that came to help.
Was the teacher also part of the underwear that the boy was wearing?
British Private Schools:
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Is no one else going to mention the possibility that this kid was severely bullied and abused? I'm not trying to suggest any justification or excuse for attacking sleeping people with hammers, but it is such abnormal behavior that it seems at least possible to me that this kid was driven to extreme violence out of desperation.
Weird kid in a private boarding school, withdrawn, perhaps autistic mostly online.
Reading between the lines there's a pretty good chance that the other kids were mercilessly picking on him.
The zombie invasion line might well have been an attempt to get out of premeditation that he didn't go and grab the hammers to kill them.
He's still squarely in the wrong and definitely needs to be pulled out of society for a very long time and get psychologic help, But I strongly suspect there are some things at play here that aren't being reported on.
Given I haven't met a lot of psychopaths, But I have met plenty of children who have been bullied until they snapped.
A neurodivergent at a private school would never stand a chance.
I agree, and the school should have been ready for that. There is no way they didn't know this was going on.
Crazy in the coconut
But what does that mean
You're a nut!
That boy needs therapy.
He was white as a sheet
And he also made false teeth
This article really requires a "white boy" before all the brits start burning hotels with refugees again
It's a private school, so safe to assume there is a 0% refugee student body.
claimed he was sleepwalking.
This is actually a thing so I wonder how they disproved it
Probably by noticing that he got the hammers ahead of time
Was his name Maxwell?
Why is everyone guessing what happened? Is there no way to get the court documents in the UK? I can request all documents related to a case for free here in Sweden.
Not in this case as he is a minor so the records aren’t public.
given his choice of weapon, i'm surprised he didn't "stop!".
I simply can't touch this.
...in prison? Or just sentenced to having to exist.
Bias in journalism amirite
Wearing boxer shorts?
Where were his Thomas The Tank Engine pyjamas?!
Seriously though; while the boys at state school were a lot harder, if a posh kid finally lost it it was always something extremely psychotic like this.
@MicroWave
"sentenced to life" says the title. Then they say "12 years minimum". Isn't this odd? I'm not familiar with Justice rules in UK, but the second sentence seems contradicting the title...
A life sentence in the UK is distinct from a whole life order. Usually 25-30 years. The 12 year minimum is the length of time before he would be entitled to parole.
Bludgeon School, terrible name choice
Are you just reading what you want to read?