A Boring Dystopia

Interesting read thanks.

Karen Grumberg noted that "the Zionist soldier, a man with a conscience, loathes violence but realizes he must act violently to survive; the dilemma causes him to weep while pulling the trigger. Looking inward, he despairs at the violence he feels compelled to enact this way because he fears his moral corruption."

Amir Vodka wrote "It typically depicts the IDF in a critical light, as a traumatizer of young soldiers, yet the genre itself is often criticized for turning the assailants into victims, and in a sense allowing the continuation of war under the guise of self-victimization."

The only way I could rationalize the OG Nazis...trying to get into their head and how they managed to do the things they did...was that they were straight up brainwashed.

It sounded crazy when I was younger. Like, something out of a comic book instead of a history book.

But as I watch and try to critically understand how the modern propaganda machine works, I can't help but wonder if maybe I was right.

I stand firm in my opinion that their boots-on-the-ground infantryman are also victims

Settlers enlisted in an occupying force that seeks to claim more territory over the bodies of the native occupants are not victims.

but I stand firm in my opinion that their boots-on-the-ground infantryman are also victims of the Israeli political machine.

Sure, but couldn't the same be said for many of the literal guards at Auschwitz? A lot of those people were just kids who were drafted and were simply following orders. Even many of those who were there willingly only did such things after being subject to years of ruthless Nazi propaganda.

At some point, regardless of what circumstances led you to that moment, you become responsible for your own actions. There is no set of circumstances that can make murdering innocent civilians justified. And if you do that anyway, you bear full moral culpability, regardless of what may have happened in your life before that point.

We literally hashed this out during the Nuremberg trials. It doesn't matter what propaganda you were subject to. It doesn't matter how you were raised. It doesn't matter if you were "just following orders." It doesn't even matter if you yourself would face execution for refusing to kill innocent civilians. It is never OK to kill innocent civilians, to perform genocide, or commit ethnic cleansing. If you do that, you deserve to hang for it. Full stop. No excuses.

Dave Grossman is full of shit. This is independent to the potential trauma from killing people (there's a wide range of reactions to that experience). Dave Grossman is full of shit.

Well when he said “this is terrorism” he was correct. Just that it’s the IDF terrorizing innocent people.

My interpretation of this is that some mid-level staffers at CNN pushed the story knowing exactly what was in it. Their bosses wouldn't let them do obvious things, so they got a little subtle.

If the army starts shooting its own soldiers, it's not going to exist for very long. You can read very obscure stories about occasional killings during the Vietnam War, but those are almost always things that happened in the jungle when nobody would ever find out.

If they try that kinda thing in Israel today, it's not going to be a secret, and all of the other infantry and their family are going to wonder who is next, which in turn would massively reduce support for the Israeli military.

No he would sit in a jail cell. As a trained soldier no one would fuck with him

Essentially a perfectly risk-free environment. But he chose murder instead

I'm seeing so many parallels to our false wars in the Middle East. The vast majority of US soldiers who died did so by suicide.

Also netanyahu trying to create more generations of terrorism so he can have forever wars that keep him in absolute control. That's literally what we did, he is copying us play by play. Or perhaps we have a hand in what is happening as well... At least our intelligence agencies that is