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[–] [email protected] 3 points 37 minutes ago

Don't forget America pinky promised security guarantees

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Any western government or leader surprised that Ukraine is now talking about developing their own nuclear weapons program needs to understand that they wouldn’t even be considering that if we had just fucking held up our end of the deal.

With the Budapest Memorandum, they surrendered their (former Soviet) nukes in exchange for security guarantees. The guarantees ended up being worth less than the paper they were written on. Ergo, Ukraine, seeking security guarantees on its own terms, feels compelled to re-develop nuclear weapons technology, because that’s a guarantee nobody’s going to be able to forcibly take from you once you have it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

This may also be a bargaining chip to get them into NATO.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

Concerning username, given the subject matter....

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I mean, yeah, but Orban is going to dig his heels in on that. So the only really viable option if Hungary blocks their entry indefinitely is to get nukes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 35 minutes ago

And nuke orban preferably

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago

There was absolutely no way that the West was going to allow a fragile, Russia-leaning corrupt new state keep the nuclear weapons, and Russia wasn't down for it either. It was never in the cards regardless of what Ukraine was granted "in return." Just as Ukraine will not be allowed to develop the bomb now by either Russia or the West.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 hours ago

I agree. They deserved one of two things in returned for giving up their nukes.

NATO membership.

Or a mutual defense treaty of the style seen in South Korea and Japan - i.e. Ukraine should come under the US nuclear umbrella.