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Liberty University sued by former IT staffer fired after disclosing she's a transgender woman (apnews.com)
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The bitter nationwide debate over transgender rights is playing out on a very personal level in a federal court lawsuit filed in Virginia by a former Liberty University employee. She was fired by the evangelical Christian school after disclosing her identity as a transgender woman.

The lawsuit on behalf of Ellenor Zinski was filed in July by the American Civil Liberties Union of Virginia and the Richmond law firm of Butler Curwood. It alleges that she was fired last year from her job on Liberty’s Information Technology help desk solely because of her gender identify, in violation of the U.S. Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Earlier this month, the conservative legal organization Liberty Counsel filed a brief on behalf of the university asking the federal district court to dismiss the lawsuit. The brief contends that the Civil Rights Act explicitly permits religious educational institutions to make employment decisions consistent with their religious doctrine — in this case a doctrinal statement asserting that “denial of birth sex by self-identification with a different gender” is sinful.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 13 hours ago

You just gotta love that this place is called "liberty", a place where you're free to do whatever you want as look as you only do the things a tiny group of people allow you to do.

The one thing that really REALLY disgusts me beyond anything is just the sheer hypocrisy on the right / conservative side. They break all the rules, they commit all the crimes, and immediately turn around and accuse the "other side" of doing exactly what they just did, and then call themselves "liberty" or " law abiding" or some shit like that. It soooo grinds my gears...

If you're going to be evil, then at least fucking own it. At least call yourself a dictator, at least call yourself a religious terrorist. Say what you want about al Qaeda, but at least they know they're evil and they don't pretend to be a loving sweet group of happy campers.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

It just shows how difficult it is for a trans person to get a job in the U.S. when she was desperate enough to take a job at a fascism indoctrination mill.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago

If I hadn't spent 2 decades becoming self sufficient for exactly this reason, I would be SOL. The machining world is absolutely full of bigoted assholes.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If you read the article, you'd know it wasn't desperation. It was an institution she admired and specifically wanted to work there. It's even sadder than being desperate. She was already indoctrinated into the cult that hates her for who she is.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 18 hours ago

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I was about to say, why the fuck would you work for a Christian organization if you are trans? It's like being black and working for the KKK.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 20 hours ago

Not at all. If these people actually read the Bible they’d be completely fine with trans people. They don’t, they just make up shit to fit their preexisting beliefs and then call themselves Christian.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (2 children)

It depends what kind of Christianity you're dealing with. Where I live, most of the churches have rainbow flags on display with "everyone's welcome here" messages and lost of leftish liberals with fairly progressive views. Some even put pro-LGBTQ+ messages on their signs that call people out for bigotry. But Liberty University isn't that kind of Christianity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

There must be a bunch of episcopalians in your area

[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yup. A lot of churches have the stance of "love thy neighbor. Did I fucking stutter?" and it's very refreshing after decades of nonstop hate. Not saying the hate isn't still out there, but we've come a long way even in the past 10 years.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

love thy neighbor

I guess Jesus didn't consider his neighbor's slaves to be neighbors as well... Or is there something about a slave that makes them not need love like other humans?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I am quite certain that the churches I'm talking about are adamantly against slavery.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

I think he's referring to Jesus' pro-slavery stances.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm just amazed they didn't figure it out sooner. She does look like she can pass, but I'm still amazed. You would think a place so paranoid of atheist librul indoctrination would run background checks before they hire anyone. Unless a background check wouldn't turn up her deadname, I guess...

[–] [email protected] 16 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Unless a background check wouldn't turn up her deadname, I guess...

It absolutely would. There might not be anything specific about gender identity, but it wouldn't be too hard to do the math.

I think it's more likely that they don't do background checks, because they don't want to appear on c/priestarrested.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

it wouldn't be too hard to do the math.

I think you severely overestimate their ability to do math.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

That's not a bad guess.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

I'm a proguessive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

I see what you did there. And, I like it!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (1 children)

I wish Dems would start spitting fire and come out with an ad going through the list of prejudices throughout our history.

"Native Americans / Aborigines? Italians? Jews? Asians? Blacks? Latinos? Women voting? Muslims? Gay? And now trans?

Isn't it always something? When will we all see the pattern here that these witch hunts always fall on the wrong side of history. And they're always perpetrated by the same sort of people - not grouped by the color of their skin race or religion, but of profound ignorance rooted in fear of the unknown. Cutting across every other adjective used to divide us, we are ALL human."

Side note but my god I still think of that Bernie Sanders ad from his 2016 campaign, Vote Together.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

The problem right now is that there are a bunch of bigots who vote Democratic and the margins are sliver-thin.

Maybe they would actually get more voters if they did that, but I don't know that they necessarily would. I think the people who have given up on the Democratic party would say, "too little, too late."

There's also the problem that the party is being run by a bunch of elders who have paleolithic moral compasses.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

Fair point. I feel Immediately following elections Democrats need to pivot into this one-part educational teacher mindset to dispel common myths on us history and civics (eg, "The Dems were the slavers!"), and one-part activism. Every election cycle we fall for the trap of letting the blind lead the blind. To carve out the winning electorate by whatever means necessary as you say. But when do we actually try to nudge Americans in the right direction? This is what I commended Warren or Sanders for because they built a movement around where the country needed to go through facts and conviction and persuaded people.

Democrats rarely persuade and equally fall for whatever bullshit narrative Republicans design.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

You sound like me almost 25 years ago.

This is how things are. This is how they will always be. We will ALWAYS have to fight to keep people from being hated and excluded, especially in ourselves as we look at the people trying to do the excluding and our knee-jerk is to exclude them.

I wish I had the answer so we could skip the hard work and live together in harmony. I worry there just is never an easy answer or change in tactics or shift in messaging - it's just living your whole life with bravery and kindness, as hard as that gets at times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

especially in ourselves as we look at the people trying to do the excluding and our knee-jerk is to exclude them.

Gonna have to disagree here. This is the "paradox" of intolerance (not really a paradox). These people have no place in modern society, and this type of behavior and ideology should 100% be excluded.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

The quick answer would involve taking away people's free will, so most would consider it unacceptable.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 18 hours ago

Enforcing their religious views on employees, even if they turn out to have that right, is so morally wrong.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

On one hand fuck them for discriminating, on the other hand thats like getting fired from the proud boys as a Jew and being shocked.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

I do see where you are coming from, but the overriding principle for me is that everyone has a right to freely express their identity in public and should not receive discrimination for it under any circumstances, even if they have a questionable choice in employers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

So I could make up a random relgion, which seems legal in the US (see scientology) and then I would be allowed to discriminate based on my religious beliefs which I totally made up.

That lawyer’s argument is crazy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

In Oklahoma, you don’t even need a religion. Not wanting to employ trans people is a valid reason to be fired. I have lost garbage DAY LABOR gigs for being trans.

They also made it illegal to be a trans teacher, and no federal agency seems at all interested in looking into it. I’m surprised this woman has been able to get a lawsuit off - I’ve been looking for someone to take mine for three years!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

Why make up a religion, when you can join an already established one, and then foment a schism? The Church of the SubGenius welcomes all heretics.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago

I mean the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster is a real church, so is the Church of the Dude. They are official and legally recognized religions. More than anything, you need a documented set of beliefs that you espouse and to register your organization.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

Gangster Capitalism has a great podcast series on Liberty University for those interested.