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  • Swedish Minister wants to deport migrants who do not hold Swedish citizenship if they show support to terrorist groups.
  • The spokesperson for migration policy in Sweden wants the law to be even more stringent - to include anyone who shows such acts of support.
  • Tourists, citizens, and residence permit holders can all be affected by such changes.
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[–] [email protected] 98 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

...and let me guess. Critizing Israel's actions is tacit support of Hezbollah?

[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Sweden up until recently had freedom of organization protected in the constitution. This was changed in a recent constitutional amendment at the request of Turkey, as a prerequisite to join NATO. Turkey demanded that Sweden arrest "PKK members" (aka journalists that Erdogan doesn't like), and to show support, both the Andersson and Kristersson administrations revived a constitutional amendment from 2021 and pushed it through, making it illegal to be a member of a terrorist organization.

https://www.regeringen.se/rattsliga-dokument/statens-offentliga-utredningar/2021/03/sou-202115/

https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2022/6/pdf/220628-trilat-memo.pdf

https://lagen.nu/2022:666

It's really an unfortunate development, since the terms "terrorist organization" and "support to terrorism" is so poorly defined, and it's clearly intended to punish political opposition in dictatorships, like Turkish and Kurdish opposition in Turkey. Very much a chilling effect on political discussion when foreign political oppositions are banned from speaking in Sweden, even when racist hate groups are still allowed to speak.

It does seem that the current law is still quite limited, at least. The Terrorist crime law of 2022 (Terroristbrottslagen) outlaws support, propagandizing, and recruiting for terrorist organizations, but this seems to be limited to only material support, organized propaganda and organization leadership. Simply going around waving a PKK flag still is legal, for now.

https://www.ui.se/utrikesmagasinet/analyser/2023/juli/terrorlagar-domstolar-far-bedoma-flaggviftning/

So luckily, I don't think it's possible to be deported simply for expressing expressing pro-Kurdish or pro-Palestinian independence ideas, or even expressing support for the violent people in PKK or Hamas.

Johan Forssell has also expressed a wish for a new law making it illegal to be in a criminal gang, but this has not passed yet. His view on the ongoing wars with Israel seems to be that Israel "has a right to defend itself", but that civilians must be protected and receive aid.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago

Close. It makes you a Hamas headquarters.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Hope nobody here supports Nelson Mandela.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Best deport all Swedish politicians in parliament in 1990: https://archive.nelsonmandela.org/index.php/za-com-mr-s-24 And the party that this minister is in was against supporting the ANC and Mandela. So I would not be surprised if this argument won't move him.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It doesn't matter where in the world you are, the issue with forcibly deporting people is always the same: what do you do if the country you want to deport them to refuses to take them?

And the only answers I can see are let them go free in your country or keep them locked up indefinitely.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And it's kind if shitty to try to just throw the problem at another country.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

That is true. The swedish government is pushing quite hard to overfill prisons, probably in a long term plan to force it towards privatization. So I would not be surprised if it is even part of the plan.

But, also, I think one strategy suggested is just paying them. Threaten with prison, see at what price they break.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The law proposal doesn't affect citizens (according to the government). So it's a law specifically meant to be unequal.

Citizen? Cheer for terrorists all you want! It's your right!

Non-citizen? Deportion.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (19 children)

This sounds very unconstitutional? It does say "everyone" so the principle of equality under the law should apply. Right???

EDIT, aw fuck:

Non-Swedish citizens and non-Swedish legal persons Art. 3. For those who are not Swedish citizens or Swedish legal persons, special restrictions may be laid down in law in respect of freedom of expression under this Fundamental Law.

Well that sounds horrible. Sweden, do better.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Where would Swedish government deport native Swedish citizens to? Ohio?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

Depends on your heritage I guess. 🤷 It comes up in the news now and then where children get deported to a country they have never been to, have no connection to and doesn't speak the language.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

They also want to deport for "bristande vandel", "bad behavior/way of living", which this probably will fall under. In their examples of what constitutes "bristande vandel" one is: being a victim of a crime. Robbed? Deportation. Raped? Deportation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I mean if I'm at home I can fart anytime I want and put my feet on the table, if I'm a guest I would not do such things, that's not inequality.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

Is the BDS movement classified as a terrorist organisation? What about ANTIFA?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 weeks ago

The same minister probably:

That party who are against me, I'd call them terrorists!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And yet Israel supporters will be fine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It aint a genocide when the lords "chosen" people do on "their" land.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

Wtf is going on sweden?

How big of an issue can this be lol

Did all "terrorist" just moved there for some reason?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago

The Sweden Democrats, once an openly Nazi but now a "not Nazis we promise" party are in the government. Like all "not Nazis" they spend most of their time looking for nebulous reasons to remove foreigners from the country.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Good, immigrants who support terrorism don’t belong in Sweden or any other Western country.

Send them back and let them live with the organization they support.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah, this suuuurely won't be used to silence pro-Palestine protestors.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Because what we've found is governments are so good at determining who is right in a particular conflict.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The issue here is citizens are still allowed to support terrorist organisations since it's part of free opininon and free speech. So it's a discriminatory law, which is against the principle of rule of law and equality before the law.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, anyone who supports Israel should be deported to The Hague.

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