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Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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How the heck is that US propaganda? It's historical fact
Um, aktually, the Ukronazis started the war in 1991 when they ILLEGALLY declared 'independence' from the glorious USSR with a paltry 93% in approval of the plebiscite.
Alternatives or addendums:
Please imagine this meme that I am too lazy to create:
NATO: exists
Is this provocation?
Tankies = Ruscists = Fascists
Russia was just Defending Ethnic Minorities in the Donbass!
Good old Sudetendeutsche excuse. 卐
I believe 4X games tend to label that option "Fabricate a claim"
It doesn't even matter in this day and age. Claims have no meaning anymore since borders are internationally recognized as they are and only legitimately changed through diplomacy, not through acts of war. In this case, Russia very much, on multiple occasions, acknowledged the borders (including Crimea) and Ukraine's sovereignty - including their potential wish to join NATO (I don't remember if it was Lavrov who said it, it was some old interview).
This clears things up. Thank you.
Well played, good sir.
ml bruh
Sometimes facts hurt our feelings and that makes them bad and wrong!
For far right people and tankies facts are propaganda. It's 1900s all over again.
I ask this again? Why is every single major instance still federated with them?
Literally what the fuck. We have GEOTAGGED IMAGES OF CONFIRMED ACTIVE RUSSIAN SOLDIERS INVADING UKRAINE IN 2014, and it's called misinfo.
I'm brand new to Lemmy.
I've seen multiple comments suggesting that .ml be defederated. It was the first thing I saw when I got here. Sounds like there's a bad apple and nothing is being done about it
the main reason is because the people who run lemmy.ml are actually the people whi created lemmy.
Also welcome.
[email protected] and [email protected] are useful for new users.
Also if you’re looking for an instance that has ML defederatrd but is still well federated with everything else I recommend lemmy.cafe
It's the original apple, so it's historical reasons.
I think it'll happen though, somebody just needs to bite the bullet and be the first brave one.
Just a simple 3 day invasion. Nothing to see here.
on Nov. 19 we are on the 1000th day of the 3 day invasion
Russia is so glorious and advanced that even their three-day invasions last over 300× longer!
the morons brought their dress uniforms to an invasion believing they'd be needed for the PARADES.
goddamn I can't tell who's dumber, putin thinking this shit would work, or the idiots that tried it.
Speaking of Ukraine, did you know that currently there are North Korean solders contributing to the invasion. Not only 3 day special military operation is taking 3 years, but also russia, by itself, is unable to complete it.
I believe it was like 15,000 troops
I wonder if they will use the North Korean strategy for saving resources (not feeding its people)
Also Ukraine has F-16s from the Netherlands (Russia shot down a NL plane killing hundreds of civilians)
Boy, they sure are going full Gonzolo Lira over there...
It’d be wonderful if all tankies met the same fate he did.
I'd much much prefer they live to reevaluate their opinions, but I do understand the sentiment.
What side of distorted reality are they going for here? It's become harder to tell. You'd think anti-Russian, right? Except Republicans are weirdly pro Putin because their orange clown has a hardon for dicktators.
Pro-Russian. .ml is big on bootlicking Putin against 'Western Imperialism' and opposing the 'Ukronazis'.
Basically modern-day Russia still uses Stalinist newspeak, and tankies take it in good faith. In Stalinist newspeak, "imperialism" meant "opposition of the Soviet empire".
Another thing is, tankies also think the USA is the only obstacle in a global communist revolution, and that social autocracies like Russia and China are not going hinder any attempt at it. China is now also exploiting the global south, and I cannot convince tankies that the Hungaran Fudan university isn't being gifted for free by the Chinese, but is on a loan that Hungarian taxpayers have to pay back.
@[email protected] did you even know you'd been banned due to this comment?
No I didn't know until you tagged me. Seems like they've had a strange reaction to my post. I think what I said in that post is true but I will admit I'm wrong if somebody can prove so. Here are a couple of articles which seem to back up what I said:
Regarding the invasion of Crimea in 2014: "Incognito Russian soldiers appeared throughout Crimea... The Kremlin initially claimed the soldiers were local “self-defense” groups but later admitted they were professional Russian soldiers".
Regarding the invasion of the Donbas in 2014: "A London-based digital forensics agency says it has gathered an enormous body of evidence that Russia’s military was deployed in the August-September 2014 fighting around Ilovaysk, in eastern Ukraine".
They're tankies, they're pro-Russia, pro-China (to a bootlicking degree) and pro North Korea. Basically anything anti US/west.
They've been slurping up Russian propaganda and try and argue that the pro-EU demonstrations in Ukraine in 2014 was some kind of CIA op (because the notion to them that people would willingly choose western ideals is inconceivable) and that Ukraine is full of Nazis and Russia are the good guys defeating Nazis.
I'd strongly avoid blocking the Lemmy.ml instance in your settings. Hexbear and lemmygrad are also similar instances to avoid.
Insane
But don't you know about the azov battalion? This is relevant, please believe me /s
Tankies gonna tankie