Democracy is just the tyranny of the majority.
I think that most of the Americans want this, even if people on the outside do not understand. So in that sense they are right now winning back their country, as confusing as it might sound.
this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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Normally in Democracy the majority or popular vote wins, however due to the electoral college America has, it doesnt necessarily mean the majority voted for the winner. This was the case for Bush, and some other moments in the past.
FYI: it looks like Trump is going to win the popular vote on this one as well.
How in the fuck.
Like what drives a majority of Americans to vote for a demented toddler. It's insane.
As a kid I always wondered how on Earth did Hitler ever make anyone follow himself, how did those people not realise. Turns out a majority of people are just fucking morons.
Yep and the slow gutting of the education system isn't making it any better.
You have an entire generation coming of voting age who are rabid Trump supporters. They don't care about policies or democracy or public institutions. They don't care about healthcare, social securities, or the stability of the economy.
They don't care about any of the things that have been built up through generations. They lack critical thinking ability.
The recipe works. If you make dumb kids they will vote for dumb people. It works so well that part of the future plan for a trump presidency is to get rid of the department of education. Solidifying the Republican party indefinitely.
Without critical thinking and with mass media it's so easy to say every problem that people deal with is because the "other side" made it so. Even if the other side has been doing everything possible to achieve the opposite.
Americans aren't special. They're just as vulnerable to fascism as anybody else.
The MAGATs might as well be wearing brownshirts and saluting like Mussolini.
For all practical purposes, about 30% of people are unfeeling morons - basically psychopaths. That’s the number that consistently opposes abortion, for instance. Add to that all the dumbasses who don’t know any better (the undecideds on any extremely obvious moral issue), et voila. That’s how you get slavery, nationalism, genocide, theocracy, you name it.
Unless people are willing to screen for psychopathy and remove it from the gene pool, the human species will keep fucking around until it finds out. Might be nuclear apocalypse or environmental collapse, but at this rate it’s inevitable.
I used to think Ukrainian politicians were fucking clowns. I guess we got outclowned.
I keep trying to tell you people. I will make a post about something regarding how to interact with other people. And the message is simple. Treat everyone around you as if they were mentally retarded. And only adjust your behavior for the majority that show you resistance.
YOU will always look like an asshole. How could you not? If you have to explain the concept of what a spoon is to 100 people, and only 3 people look at you with contempt, it means 97 of those people needed to be explained what a spoon is. Maybe they learned something. But to those 3 people you just came off as talking down on them, as if they were idiots. But the vast majority it was justified. Those 3 people will always see you as an asshole though.
And now look around. For 8 years we have had a racist, who said in no uncertain terms, that he hates immigrants, and foregners. He hates women. He hates trans. He hates blacks. He hates everybody besides the guy in the mirror, and the guy who he can con to make money.
You've seen this over and over and over and over. And yet, according to cnn polls, if those can be trusted, trump scored higher with latino voters in 2024 than Biden did in 2020. He polled comparable numbers with blacks in Texas as Obama did in 2012. Not higher. Not saying that. But I'm saying it was roughly the same.
The same guy who's famous for showing discrimination towards black tenants in the 1970s, is the same guy black people in Texas today trusted with their vote in 2024.
You see, maybe I just approach things differently. I have a working memory. I was just a child when the central park 5 was a story in the 80s. I still know trump took out a full page ad, and basically called for their freedom to be taken away forever. I remember that. I remember it feeling wrong. I'm white. So my family, and every adult I asked said that criminals get whats coming to them. I couldn't get anyone to answer HOW they knew they were criminals. Just that they were.
And so as I grew up, I began seeing more and more that popular opinion isn't always right. And then I started seeing it's almost never right, because 95% of people aren't thinking. They aren't challenging. They're following. So they're an idiot. But they might also be following someone who doesn't have their best interests in mind.
And that's what's happened here. An entire nation who's shown they don't care for anyone. I can't even say they only care about themself, because they don't. They have no self respect.
But in doing this for as many years as I have, I can't spot an individual lie on every instance. Some lies may get past me. But I can see right through a person who's full of shit.
And what I saw is that Harris was doing a double edged sword. She was doing everything she felt NEEDED to be done, but she wasn't true to herself. She made the decisions she felt were productive to make, rather than the decisions she felt was right.
But on the other side, trump is a straight up conman snake oil salesman. He's doing everything he can to not be caught. He made literally every worst possible move you COULD make. From both a moral, and a politically productive standpoint, he made every move the worst move. And he just won the presidency for it.
Maybe now you guys will listen to me when I tell you that I'm surrounded by morons. All day every day. Instead of accusing me of being a narcissist, maybe you'll see that I'm a guy that SHOULD be of average intelligence. Instead though, I'm surrounded by herds of morons who I'm honestly surprised don't require velcro shoes. Not the laces. I mean velcro bottoms, and an earth surface made of velcro. Just so they don't fall down so much.
I genuinely feel that the world around me is seperated by three groups. The morons who struggle with basic math. The rich who exploit them to get richer. And the moderately intelligent who assume they're a majority, when they're more like 5% of society.
This is why I have depression. It's not seasonal or biological depression. It's the fact that I can see it's not my life that sucks. It's Earth that sucks. The whole thing is just those in power exerting their power on everyone. You don't have a say. You have a master. And all these things like sports, and comic books, and movies, and music, are all just tools to amass wealth among the wealthy.
Your entire existence on this planet is to be used as a tool to perform labor, and then use your compensation to enrich the wealthy.
Buy local. Fuck walmart. Go out to the farmlands to buy your groceries. One out of two adult men will develop cancer. You think if they cared about you, that would be true? Your family loves you. Your friends love you. Corporations don't give a shit if you live or die. They wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.
But they all get together and jerk each other off. They make sure their buddies get the high paying positions. CEOs. Presidents. And then they laugh that you have to work overtime on Christmas. Normally Christmas would be time and a half. But since it's already overtime, it already IS time and a half! And they laugh and laugh. Then your boss will try to convince you that you're all one big family. Fuck. Off.
Anyone who falls for it is a moron. Which as we've discussed are in plentiful supply.
This is the world we voted for. The American people CHOSE this. Project 25 now has a green light. They control the presidency, the senate, all given thumbs up by the popular vote, as they loosened their belts, dropped their pants, and bent over for this. This is what they WANTED.
Eat shit America. Eat shit, choke, and die.
The rise of the NSDAP has been studied quite a bit. Also, the psychological aspects are really interesting. Basically normal people can make all of this possible as long as the conditions are just right.
Whether it's 48 or 52 % is an immaterial difference. Every other American who voted, voted for Trump. The rest don't seem to care either way. He has very broad popular assent and is as popular as Harris give or take a margin of error.
Everyone is lasered-focused on the EC because it makes all the difference for the practicalities, but if one is to make a broad judgement of whether Trump won fair and square the answer is "yeah, mostly". Further proof is the fact that the House is probably going to be his as well.
Americans now bear the collective responsibility for the horrors of the next 4(+?) years. Do not make the mistake of blaming the popular will of outright fascism on institutional failures, because institutions didn't force half of Americans to vote for the fascist, again.
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Trump is winning the popular vote by a pretty decent margin. The electoral college isn't the issue here.
They haven't finished counting that's why. Rural areas are faster to count and skew conservative.
A republican hasn't won the popular vote in 20 years. Trump is projected to win but like last time he'll lose the popular vote and win by virtue of the electoral college.
All the projections I'm seeing him show him almost certainly winning the popular vote. There's a gap of 6 million votes and almost every state is over 90% reported in. That gap is going to likely shrink a bit, but unfortunately it almost certainly won't be enough for him to even lose the popular vote.
Lets face it, we're (assuming you're american) apparently just a country of facists. It looks like GOP is going to have majority in both houses too so here comes project 2025 I guess.
Sorry bud, not a yank. You have my sympathies though.
If it turns out that he does indeed win the popular vote then yeah I'm sorry for your loss. A nest of at least 50% fascists or fascist enablers.
Heart aches for those that did their civic duty and yet have to suffer the repercussions :(
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Democracy really is the worst form of government, just not as bad as all the others...
Unfortunately in such polarized times like now, even though majority wants this, the ammount of people for which this is unacceptable is only slightly less than "the majority". And besides, I believe a big part of "the majority" is just gullible enough to be persuaded they want this while it actually goes against their interests
No, there is a concerted effort by conservatives to use voter suppression to subvert the will of the majority in the US.
conservatives are clawing back the country right now by hook and by crook.
can't go on forever, but I don't know which is going to last longer: the country or the aging frightened conservatives willing to subvert democracy to hang on to control.
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See, there's the horrifying possibility that they just did and this is what Americans are.
Eh, forget it. they probably need a minute before reckoning with that one.
That's the thing .. looks like he'll win the populist vote.. You're not "taking your country back" this is your country...
This isn't sides anymore.
Until America wants to be tolerant of more than intolerance, it seems it will vote with its penises, wallets, and weapons.
Edit: unnecessary apostrophe
They just did. They'll happily lie in the bed they shat in at first. By the time they realize their mistake, it will be too late.
It is too late for a while now. Try to be safe, even if that means moving.
And move where?!
Pretty dystopic that you post this quote, because it is doctored to include catholics. Niemöller's wife explicitly stated that he never included them in his poem. Source: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/was-sagte-niemoeller-wirklich
Martin Niemöllers zweite Frau (seit 1971), Sibylle von Sell schreibt dazu am 23.4.2000 in h-holocaust https://www.h-net.org/~holoweb/ :.“ The trouble with Martin Niemoeller’s „famous quotation“ is that he never wrote it down – which enabled so many hitchhikers over the years to „put themselves on the waggon“. In his „Confession of Guilt“ (as he called it himself: Schuldbekenntnis in German) the Communists came first, then the Trade Unionists and then the Socialists and then the Jews. NO ONE ELSE.”
Just be grateful if you're not in one of the first groups. I spoke up as loudly as I could.
The problem is that nowhere is safe now. I'm Canadian, and I wish I had somewhere to go. And just imagine how the poor sods in Palestine, Ukraine, and so many other suffering countries, are feeling right now.
I wouldn't be surprised if Vladimir Putin's armies weren't occupying large swaths of Eastern Europe by the end of this term.
Wait 2 years, and hopefully put people who will mitigate the damage into the positions listed on your ballot. All you can do now as a law abiding citizen is wait.
I fear that the next election will be more ceremony than democracy once they have finished rigging it. At this point, I expect a third term for Trump - if he lives that long.
He won't. The goal was to get Vance in all along. He's a docile pet for Thiel and co to implement their fascist agenda.
Your fear of a 3rd term makes it all the more important to vote in your future elections. As the two term limit is imposed through a constitutional amendment, they'd need to create another constitutional amendment to reverse it. They need 2/3rds of both the house and the senate to agree to even get the ball rolling, as such, it is vital that you do what you can to prevent them from acquiring those numbers to avoid that situation.
If it did happen, I wonder if the democrats would run Obama again.
If they attempt to abolish term limits I think we're actually going to see a civil war.
I don't think they need a constitutional amendment, just Scotus ruling that it only applies to consecutive terms, for example.
I admire your positivity
We engage in democracy.
Harris was a terrible candidate who was forced into the race. I was hoping she could pull it off but it's pretty clear that what we needed was for Biden to step down before the primary so that we could have a real election.
I think this is going to be the end of the USA as we know it. After this period, democracy will be significantly impacted.
The western world as a whole should be terrified. There has been a sharp dip towards conservatism that will only accelerate with Trump back at the helm in the US. Brexit didn't occur in a vacuum.
Hope there will be a legitimate election in 2028, and show up to the fucking primary before it and in 2026.
I think Trump won because of the economy. Yes, he has a rabid base that really does want his fascism, but the voters who pushed him over the edge are ones suffering because inflation and the wealth gap that has just been allowed to increase unimpeded. Those voters don’t want fascism - they’re just dumb AF and don’t pay attention. They just voted for “change.”
These problems will only increase over the next 4 years, so there will be another opportunity defy the status quo in 2028. We had a chance and failed to do in 2016. We came closer in 2020. We didn’t have a real primary in 2024. When we get to 2028, it’s time to fucking do it.
Ah yes, because nothing says "change" like "unchecked conservatism"
Well I did say they are dumb AF.
Here's the thing... He said he would bring change. Biden, and Harris after, both said that things would basically stay the same. For a lot of people, that's an active issue they're dealing with everyday.
The politicians just don't understand because they haven't lived like normal people for decades, if ever given the history and family of many of them.
I'm not usually known for preaching peace, as I genuinely do not believe there is a peaceful way to defeat fascism. But, now is not the time to kill anyone. Violence at this moment would be ineffective and unfocused.
For the next four years (assuming Trump is not wholesale slaughtering us) becoming a politician would be a better use of your time than engaging in violence. For the next year or two, civic engagement (or political subversion) will have more effect than physically fighting
However, if widespread murder of the innocent begins taking place, please disregard my peaceful message.
Correct. The time was in July but that guy missed.
What do you mean by "win back"?
They're trying to get liberals banned by coaxing out suggestions of terrorism
Legally, there are a couple challenges to be made to his eligibility that will likely be brought by some states. The main one that comes to mind is If there is a case for insurrection then the 14th amendment applies.
Another potential is the 25th amendment. This would require J.D. Vance to get half of the cabinet on board to remove Trump from power. I'm wondering if this is something that is already in the works considering J.D. Vance's true feelings for Trump that were revealed in the past. It's probably a long shot, but who knows.
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