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I highly doubt the left will do anything uncivil. How can they win back the country? Is it too late?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 32 minutes ago* (last edited 31 minutes ago)

THIS is the moment where everyone should be creating 3rd party candidates and going to the streets to spread awareness for the next election.

Not 6 months before the election with trump as a possibility. Get out there and promote 3rd party now, when people are pissed at Democrats for throwing it all away for Israel and people are pissed the trump won.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 hour ago (3 children)

Honestly at this point y'all should just get the fuck out. Where to? Anywhere honestly. You'll probably find the third world preferable to a post project 2025 Murica.

Russia's been having a major brain drain issue as all people with functioning brains either have escaped or want to escape the country. I don't see why Americans should do any different.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 47 minutes ago (1 children)

FWIW a candidate the left could vote for instead of someone to vote against would help.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 23 minutes ago) (1 children)

It would.

But I think that ship has sailed.

And honestly it might be the third-worlder-accustomed-to-things-being-uttter-bullshit in me. But I think "Winning back the country" is an unrealistic and foolhardy goal. Everyone who is on the radar for being harmed by Trump should look out for themselves and their own. Which includes "getting the fuck out of the country" if that is what it takes.

Additionally: A significant portion of the country won today. They got exactly what they wanted. And pretending that this neofascism is some kind of external infection is tantamount to covering one's own ears.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 minutes ago

pretending that this neofascism is some kind of external infection is tantamount to covering one’s own ears.

See, I think it's mixed. You're absolutely right that people voted for this. At the same time, years of propaganda by monied interests have led us up to this point. Authoritarianism has been low-key popular at least since the 90s (maybe earlier, but the 90s was when I started school, and learned by experience that fascism is how the school system operates.) People are scared to rock the boat against their "leaders," and given enough time, this is the result.

I wish I had time right now to write more about this, because there is some deep psychological manipulation that's embedded in the fabric of this country. It doesn't excuse people's behaviors, but knowing how and why they operate is crucial to understanding the big picture.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 minutes ago (1 children)

Eat shit.

This post is about recovery, not abandonment. Letting America fall will have global repercussions. Instructing us to give up is not helpful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 minutes ago* (last edited 4 minutes ago)

This post is about recovery, not abandonment

Recovery from what? Fascism is what your own neighbours chose. This is the system working exactly as intended and pretending it's not is covering one's own eyes. There are hundreds of millions of Americans for whom this is a good day. They have the backing of the wealthy and powerful. And their project is to remove any chance of them ever losing power again.

Thinking you'll stop something like Project 2025 in the ballot box is willful ignorance at this point.

Since OP has already made it clear that "violent uprising" is not on the cards, then the alternative is to get out while they can. Hopefully while helping others do the same. Save themselves and their own.

Also:

Eat shit.

Don't threaten me with a good time, gringo <3

[–] [email protected] 3 points 34 minutes ago (1 children)

Damn, and europe already has a lot of refugees to deal with :p

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 minutes ago

~~This has actually all been a very elaborate "come to Brazil" meme on my part.~~

~~Jokes aside, given how a lot of our people tend to worship the floor 'Murica walks on, if a bunch of refugees from the US came over, they'd probably be welcomed with open arms. :P~~

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 hour ago (6 children)

It's been "too late" for 'mericans to "win back the country" for a couple of decades at least. I mean, the entire electoral/voting system needs to be redone from the ground up because it's very non-democratic.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 53 minutes ago (3 children)

If Trump won the electoral college but not the popular vote I'd say it is.non-Democratic. But he won the popular vote too. So half the country are just self destructive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 47 minutes ago

California has only counted around half their votes so a popular vote win for Kamala could be a thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 30 minutes ago

People don't vote because they see the system is rigged so the popular vote isn't a great standard to go by either, it's a product of the system as well

If you had 100% turnout the popular vote would be very different.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

There were no good options. And that’s because of the electoral system.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago

By not being single issue shit heads.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 26 minutes ago (1 children)

Wait till next election. Trump can only run for two terms.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Maybe Biden could pack the Supreme Court before leaving office.

It wouldn't be a great idea in the long run, but it'd potentially stop the entire system from functioning right now.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 hour ago

He should have expanded it as soon as he was elected.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 hours ago

They're the political opposition now. They should do what good opposition work includes. Hold the government accountable, force them to deliver results. Make the people pay attention and realize if their bills become less or more expensive. And I'd say re-consider life-choices. And make some fundamental changes. Maybe start a new political party if the Democrats are beyond hope.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

you organize to pressure the burgeoise, as always, because they are the ones funding every winning political candidate.

except for americans fascism seem to be tolerable but god forbid you learn from marxism and socialism.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 hours ago

Let the loud mouthed Marxists finally carry out the revolution they've been babbling about for the past 10 years. Oh wait...

[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago) (1 children)

By finally doing what it clearly needs to do, splitting in multiple countries so red States can finally become third world countries like they so want to be.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It's funny that the last time this was floated by Republicans, they thought they were kicking the Democrat states out.

In other words, they thought they were keeping the Federal government.

Republican states need Democrat states far more than vice versa.

If Trump truly does win, Republicans won't split the country. They'll make it even more impossible to leave.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 45 minutes ago* (last edited 34 minutes ago)

I mean, no matter who gets kicked out by who, there would be at least two federal governments... I think most people don't realize that when a country splits, the (at least two) new entities both become independent countries with their own government...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

Education, unfortunately those in the most need of it are out of an educational institution so they will only be fed on a diet of commercialism and disinformation.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 minutes ago

Some children really did get left behind

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