Political Discussion and Commentary

The MSNBC comments that DNC needs to be more pro genocide as path to victory is correct for the DNC. Dems lost because they were less committed to Netanyahu agenda than Trump/GOP. All of the money and oligarchs went to Trump/GOP as a result. Where money and media determines winners, DNC has to play the Zionist supremacist game. Biden/Harris praising Trump's victory in preserving the CIA's myth of democracy over the rule of law and corruption is DNC supporting Trump's stronger support for zionist supremacist genocide.

You can't push DNC left if it blocks their primary zionist supremacist fundraising objectives. DNC can only pander to the left. There are no oligarchs who will not align with zionist supremacism either, because its a fight they lose.

A difference between left and pure centrism is a left fantasy of labour, feminist/queer, minority race supremacy in that order.

UBI is a centrist policy that eliminates poverty without creating an empire/heroes to champion the poor. It makes the rich richer without empowering oligarchy, in that the labour market becomes automatically fair when people have the power to say no, but abundance is encouraged because the rich hiring to provide abundance is needed to make sure the poor's money trickles back up to them.

Nationalizing the most evil lobbyist industries and delegitimizing zionist/neocon political candidates is path to victory, but won't come from DNC.

Whether left or center, DNC is not a solution. Support another party and abandon DNC. Must start now, not summer 2028.

The DNC can't be reformed. They need to wholesale clean house and morph into something else, or they're not even contenders.

The argument could be made that they haven't been contenders for at least 12 years. The Party heads LIKE this dynamic; it makes them oodles of cash.

It's time we vote for the independent or green party. We had 3 elections with the DNC making terrible decisions.

This was tried in 1968. It failed, and the Democratic Party instituted superdelegates to prevent it from ever having a chance at being successful again. You can't vote your way out of capitalism.

It's time the democrats have a primary where the winner isn't preordained. Even with Obama, Hillary was "preordained" the winner in 2008, only to have everyone be surprised that an electable candidate got nominated. Same thing happened with Bill Clinton in '92, where the "preordained" candidate dropped out (ironically due to an affair) and Bill Clinton took his place. Come to think of it, that is how Obama got his senate seat. Someone cheated on 7 of 9 and suddenly Illinois has a black senator.

Anyways, just let us vote.

It was time back in 2016 with Bernie, yet here we are now.

Sounds good.. First thing to do is make sure everyone votes in every primary and election.

No one GAF what you think unless you vote.

But somehow people think sitting out a vote for the 30th time in a row means the Democrats will finally listen to them...

This has been the rallying call from progressives for decades, they keep sliding right. At what point do we have to consider that entryism into the Dems just doesn't work? The party structure is designed to entrench establishment figures that are great at fundraising from wealthy Capitalists.

ITT: folks who still think there will be free and fair elections in the US ever again

It is time to open your eyes to the reality and stop doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

The democrats aren't there to serve you. They are there to provide an illusion of choice and to help shift the Overton window to the right.

You will never push them to the left because being on the left is antithetical to their purpose and existence.

If this election hasn't woken you up, what the fuck will?

No. Do a Bernie.

An independent can't win the presidency but independents absolutely can become state senators, state house reps or federal senators.

If you're a politician who manages to win your local democratic primary run as an independent with no one with the (D) label... if no one is wearing the label you'll outperform wearing it yourself.

You can affix yourself to a more niche party like Democratic Socialists of America or the Working Families Party but keep that (I).

I'll only believe a leftist could win an election for president AFTER a leftist wins an election for governor.

The funnny thing about elections is that politicians do the things people vote for. Literally no one gives a shit about people who don't vote. Everyone who sat out and couldn't even be arsed to vote third party just helped move the country to the right. Everyone who sits at home during primaries let's the rest of the country have its way.

Democrats don't implement the things that you want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter. Republicans don't implement the things you that want because you don't vote and therefore you don't matter.

"Waah, waah, there's only two parties." More than half the country doesn't vote. That's enough to elect a third party candidate. Instead millions of idiots sat at home complaining that they can't get everything they want today, and moving the needle is too much work.