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Work camps are a job.
Maybe democrats should have been talking about black jobs like Trump did. What is a black job anyhow? Is that what all those text messages that went out to black people when Trump was announced the winner of the election we're about? Head hunters looking for new recruits to work in the exciting new field of...... checks notes, uh, picking cotton.
Fuck people are ignorant.
There's still time for them to hop in the strawberry fields after the deportations, then unionize and strike and demand better wages before Musk gets rid of OSHA and collective bargaining
Most Latinos do not work in the fields. Many of us have been here for several generations. There are many types of Latinos. (Disclaimer: I voted, phonebanked, and canvassed for Kamala.)
I was more trying to say that most of the jobs Trump will create are the absolute shit-ass cash jobs no one wanted to do in the first place, after he does his undocumented mass deportation stuff, and boiled the sentiment down to a colloquialism
OK, fair enough.
I really wanna be wrong about this but when companies start stockpiling pre-tariff stuff and moving manufacturing in, it's gonna show up as a lot of expense and might plunge us into a correction and really dry up the job market. Lots of companies are wringing out earnings beats with revenue misses thanks to layoffs and stuff like that so it's kinda losing steam to begin with.
I've been trying to think why a lot of bajillionaires are sitting on so much cash in this kind of environment, and aside from the market generally looking overpriced/slim pickings, that's the only other thing I can envision
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Black voters went from
9 Biden - 1 Trump
to
8 Harris - 2 Trump.
What got Trump elected was white people. This article tries to paint a narrative which does not exist.
If it were up to black and latinos Harris would be president.
Still twice the amount of votes compared to the last election, which leaves me with my mouth open.
It’s like voting for the wolf when you are part of a flock of sheep because the other sheep you could elect instead is not exactly the way you picture the perfect sheep.
What got trump elected was PPL NOT VOTING.
TRUMP GOT THE SAME AMOUNT OF VOTES EVERY YIME
So what got Trump elected was the Dems not listening to voters and losing them?
Yep. On the other hand, it seems like people aren't worried enough about Trump to vote against him. No one loved Biden, but he was better than Trump. People just don't seem to mind anymore.
What got Trump elected was Democrats kicking out their base to make room for Liz Cheney and refusing to stop a genocide.
I'm not blaming white men for Trump winning. I'm blaming the DNC.
Interesting! I don't think you're making it up, but do you have a source for that? I'd like to learn more.
Hi, not comment-op, but... Here's one of the first set of exit polls to look over: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-elections/exit-polls
Though it's a little too early for real analysis, since ballots are still being counted. Really the most interesting questions are things like: in tipping-point states (like PA, MI, WI, maybe GA or NC) how did the vote/turnout shift? That sort of analysis takes a bit longer, though, so we're stuck with clickbait articles like the one posted above.
Here is one suggesting even higher numbers of black Democrat voters https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/11/6/us-election-2024-results-how-black-voters-shifted-towards-trump
Thank you for saying this. I noticed in 2008 when Prop 8 was voted on in California that Black people (men in particular) are really the preferred scapegoat when things go wrong. All this despite their negligible numbers. 12 million white women (from 20 million) could vote for something detrimental to society and it'll be crickets but let 10,000 (from 100,00) Black men vote for the same bad policy and somehow the story will be about the Black men.
This is an example of the so-called subtle bigotry that really isn’t so subtle.
They're trying to group them all together, and that's not fair for this one. Around 78% of black men voted for Harris, as opposed to the around 44% of Latino men. They're trying to distract us from the fact that a good portion of this was from white voters by mentioning Latinos anyway. Like, "How did we vote facisim. We didn't vote for him." That's all I see articles for. Where are the articles breaking down why over 50% of white women voted for their own subjugation? They're so used to black people being the scape goat, they throw us in there even when we had little impact on it.
its a fair point, but 90% of black men voted for Biden. The slide did contribute to loss.
Why is the focus on Black men when fewer than 25% voted for Trump. Meanwhile more than double that percentage of white women voted for Trump. Where is the analysis of their bizarre voting behavior?
Exactly like 2016.
White women gave Trump the Presidency because deep down, they know structural racism benefits them more than any other group besides white men.
In some polls I've seen before the election, the top item for people -- this is in general, not a specific demographic -- who said that they would vote for Trump was the economy.
But you can break that down more than "economy". "Economy" can mean a lot of things. How the stock market is doing. Unemployment. Inflation.
And when people were asked about that, in the polling data I saw, prices were the top concern.
I commented well before the election and pointed out that inflation is extremely unpopular with publics. In a study -- and this is an old one, but apparently a well known one -- that looked at the public in Germany, the US, and Brazil, the public -- and particularly in Germany and the US -- said that they'd rather have a recession than inflation. That is significant, because in contrast, the mainstream economic position is that it's preferable for a country to have inflation than a recession.
I also listened to some interviews of people voting Trump, and a lot of people said "I was better-off under Trump than Biden".
My guess is that you can probably chalk a considerable amount of this up to:
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Not understanding that inflationary policies weren't simply adopted in isolation, but to avoid a recession resulting from COVID-19.
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Not knowing that it's normally considered that inflationary policy is preferable to a recession.
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Not knowing that the Trump administration also adopted inflationary policy.
I also remember reading some stuff going well back saying that in general, people tend to credit the President pretty directly for whatever the present state of the economy is. If there are issues, they put it at the feet of the President, and if it's going well, they put it at the feet of the President...even if the President didn't have much to do with it (or if it was actually policies from a prior administration that took time to have effect). So to some extent, the politics of being the President always, not just in a situation with a fair bit of inflation as we had stemming from COVID-19, have to do with that voter attribution to the President of the short-term state of the economy.
I'd also add that political organizations know this and will -- not always honestly -- aim to exacerbate that take.
Donald Trump
stated on September 7, 2024 in a rally in Mosinee, Wis.:
Vice President Kamala Harris “cast the tiebreaking votes that caused the worst inflation in American history, costing a typical American family $28,000.”
So if one wants to avoid the executive being unreasonably penalized for -- or taking credit for -- the economic state of affairs, then there's probably a hard communication problem that hasn't been solved for decades and decades that needs to happen.
a hard communication problem
I think it's a lot like tech support. End users don't care about the details. They just want to hear: I see your problem, and here's how quickly I'm going to fix it.
There are lots of people out there who think that inflation means how much prices have risen in some recent period of their memory. If something that cost $3 in 2018 is now $6 and you tell them inflation is at 2%, they will be completely bewildered as to how this can be true. There are also tons of people who don’t understand why deflation is bad or undesirable. If you can’t tell who is lying to you because you have no idea how the economy works, you’re just going to choose the one you remember as being better.
As we transition into full-blown tyranny, and the out-group begins to grow, I’m trying to educate myself about how to cope with it, survive and maybe even resist. I have found that discussions among black Americans online are extremely enlightening in this regard, presumably because they have existed forever in a precarious state, something like that which many more of us are about to be thrust. I’m not interested in scapegoating black males over this election. This happened because too many Americans are dumb fucks, ruled by emotions, and gullible as hell. End of story.
I'm fucking sick of talking about race as if it means anything at all compared to class. We need a two step program
- Tax the fucking billionaires out of existence
- Stop destroying the biosphere
Want to make that program palatable? We use the billionaire taxes to make life suck less for everyone in a clear, food-on-the-God-damn-table-and-children- in-decent-schools Kind of way.
Racism is real and deadly, but what are we gonna do? Bully the racists into being less racist? Send them off to camps for re-education? Let's just focus on giving everyone enough money that they don't have to rely on some racist boss to give them a job, or a racist landlord to give them (allow then to pay for) a home.
Healthcare not tied to employment too pls.
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This is the big zionist media lie they used to favour Trump.
"More pro business" does not mean better economy and jobs. It just means making the oligarchs even richer.
If media keeps telling you Biden economy is shit, even when its not, you have to be very economically sophisticated to know they are lying for Trump/GOP.
There will be no tax breaks for tips, overtime, or social security. These are not Republican "values". Only slavery is. Tax cuts for corporations and rich will happen. Tariffs and antagonizing world will not reindustrialize America.
Media enabling a confident liar, with massive Zionist money, is what got him elected.
Going to be some well fed leopards next year when Trump starts deporting them.
If it really starts happening I think we would immediately see so much bad raw footage.
I mean there would have to be l mass deportation camps built and people raiding houses. Also blue states won't go along with it.
Which will likely sway public opinion back to Dems who will win in 2026 midterms.
But... 2 years of unrestrained power can do a lot of damage.
They're gonna make an excuse to not have midterm; then the country is under attack from whatever and not have 2028.
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I expect many posts in the "leopards ate my face" category from that group.
We look forward to the job and economic opportunities that the asteroid will provide.
Boy, are they going to be surprised when the minimum wage goes down and what little worker protections US workers have are gone and the economy tanks because of Trump tarrifs and the retaliatory tarrifs from the rest of the world
Work will set them free unfortunately
I expected this after watching Khalid Attaf videos of talking to customers in his family's gas station/convenience store. It was depressing to see the reasons people were planning to vote this way. If you watch this, save at least a thread of sanity and don't read the comments.
Ah yes, the usual blaming of minorities for all the democrats that didn't show up.
saying democrats didn't show up is pure cope. They showed up, no one else did.
I'm not sure in what context you mean, here. Are you saying that there are just less democrats than republicans or are you just talking shit?
I guess we had Too Much rising wages and record unemployment that it made them all nervous of when the fuckening was going to happen.
Lol. I ain't touching this shit with a sky track forklift with a 20 ft boom
the fuck is gonna happen to the price of [whatever the fuck] when there's 20% tariffs on everything, a shortage of labor, and the fed issues 8 trillion in bonds?
Weimar-levels of hyperinflation, that's what.
Cute that were under the assumption people understood how tariffs worked.
I guess the work camps will count as a job. Good job!
You gon learn today...
God, this article is awful.
There's stuff like this:
A majority of voters nationally said Trump was a strong leader; slightly fewer than half said the same about Harris.
...which implies there's some significant difference here without giving you the specific numbers. Is this 51% to 49%? They go into the Latino specifics, but only for Trump, but even break it down further to say what percent of Latinos think Trump is strong versus the percentage of Latinas that think Trump is strong.
The AP is always held up as this infallibly unbiased source, but even if we agree that being unabashedly both-sides centrist is unbiased, that's not even close to what's happening here. To even remotely both-sides this you'd have to show all the people that think asking the question of Trump's strength is an absolute joke and it's bizarre we're even discussing it because the only people that believe in strongman leadership are literal fascists.
With respect to the actual headline and meat of the article, it also doesn't challenge the assumption that Trump would be better for the economy. If you're going to include people who were brainwashed into believing that, you have to juxtapose them with the endless historical precedents and current studies that show his policies will absolutely be detrimental to the economy. Even corporations are going to tank in the long term, because you can't steal from the working class forever.
By continuing Trump's campaign propaganda without serious challenge, this is a right-wing article in support of his administration. A more centrist article would say something closer to "Trump tricks public into believing he'll be better for the economy" because that's the reality of what happened.
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