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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The DNC is a sunk cost. Time to move on.

Showing up to primaries and reforming the party seems infinitely easier in a FPTP system. The parties are pretty much part of the electoral infrastructure at this point, you simply can't "go around" them. Their form can absolutely change, as can leadership, but it will take literal generations to supplant them.

On the other hand, if the people that usually stay home or preach that "the process is useless" showed up to primaries and threw more of the old guard on their asses we could actually have a shot at getting a party to represent working class people. It's the exact same work, there's just less of it because you already have a base of voters.

People can complain about the DNC all they want, but until they show up they're getting exactly what they've asked for. We have the power to clean house.

[+] [email protected] -12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Blah blah blah. Moving forward our elections will be more akin to Russias. The fact that you want to wait and see is exactly how bad they got you. They pulled your pants down and pulled your underwear around your head and your looking for the light switch.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

"Of course I'm not going to do any actual work to try and fix the problem, I just want to tell everyone they can't fix the problem and have no agency! See how left I am?!"

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's a sunk cost. The last 4 years every opportunity I would talk about how shit biden was. No one would have it. I even so much as got banned from reddit. Now here we are. We can't depend on the DNC to solve it. If you want to fix the problem you have to cut the DNC out. They offer nothing but a swooning gaze into 1990s politics.

I don't care how much you protest. The faster you get to where I'm at the better the shot we have at fixing it. Until then the DNC will suck up all your energy and turn it into a GOP win.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Do you show uo at your local DNC meetings? Did you endorse, donate, primary, or run for anything?

If not, PLEASE DO. The smart dems are reeling, and the ones who arent deserve to be primaried.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What don't you get about sunk cost? People staying invested in the DNC will delay any meaningful change.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What's your alternative?

Do you have a ready-built national organization that can be successfully co-opted to supplant the DNC i dont know about?

DNC isnt just a sunk cost, its an established civic investment. Unless you think the whole system is going to collapse overnight, a takeover of an existing party is the quickest way to get real change. And if the DNC is rotten and needs to go, we can best do that from the inside.

Every "third party" either merges into a major party or devolves into a vanity party, because the only positions that matter electorally in a winner-take-all system are "i suooort the current person" or "i want them out of office."

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

I think destroying from the inside is fraught with problems. If you go after the DNC it will be a fight to get state parties to fall in line. What needs to happen is a tea party esque movement to challenge the entrenched state parties. If you can beat the state party's on the ground you can supplant them and set the agenda. Yes you can merge the parties when you want to cash out but that's way cart before horse discussion.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Blah blah blah

Wow, what a well-reasoned argument. Actively participating in the obviously fucked-up democratic process in an effort to unfuck it is the opposite of "wait and see." "Wait and see" is your end result.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Dude, you're flailing. You say a bunch of words by they aren't going to mean anything.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You say a bunch of words by they aren't going to mean anything.

Lololol, the irony of this sentence would be hilarious if it wasn't indicative of the very avoidable failures of our society.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago (1 children)

... show me post dripping with hubris.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, really not sure what that's supposed to mean either. Clear communication is key in having a productive discussion, I highly recommend it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Ok, but any discussion I may have with you won't be productive because your belief is US government will continue to operate, more or less, as it always has. If you were mildly informed you might not have that same belief. At the very least you should be arguing that the GOP is not capable of shifting the government from its current iteration to a right wing run authoritarian regime. Not this, democrats are the only alternative bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you for trying to tell me my beliefs, unfortunately I still have no fucking clue what you're trying to say, what your position is, or what you think my position is. Maybe try writing it in your original language and translating it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Actually, you told me your beliefs

The parties are pretty much part of the electoral infrastructure at this point

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Lol, someone else said that. And that's not a belief, it's a description of reality. Them saying that doesn't mean they support it, it just means they have a basic understanding of the American electoral process.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's what I was responding to and you just told me again that is your belief. Soooooo, fuck off I guess?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I know Internet forums can be hard to figure out, they've only been around for like 4 or 5 decades. See how your name is "clinicallydepressedpoochie"? My name is not. And it's also not the name of the person who said that. Different people have different names, this is reflected textually within the forum format so you can just look at the name above the comment your looking at to see who posted that comment. Anything else I need to explain?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Fucking asshole just fuck off

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Just treat me like the election process and ignore me, surely that will fix your problems?!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i'm convinced that the dnc miscalculated our response to the election choices that they let us have and i wish i knew what it was about lgbt, ukraine, and latinos that made them confident that they could leverage these groups to cover for a genocide and a diet republican platform during this election.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The GOP is straight up telling us they don't care about immigration, LGBT, abortion, etc. We lost this fight because it was a fight over the economy. This will always be a fight about the standard of living for working class people.

The GOP bring up these topics because they don't want the Dems to send messaging about actual economic policy. They want to keep them arguing about other topics people really don't care about or might edge out a win on their side. That way they can be 100% wrong on the economy and exact their real intent. The DNC leadership are 100% ok with this because THEY ALIGN on the issue. They will give some weak ass messaging about helping the middle class then be completely fine with their donors raking in cash hand over fist.

If the GOP cared about immigration why did they make the bill that would help stem the problem political?

If they cared about taking away LGBT rights why is gay marriage still legal?

If they are so opposed to abortion why is Trump out there not saying he will support an abortion ban?

The answer is they don't want you to see the elephant in the room which is the standard of living is falling and THEY PLAN on making it worse, if only to enrich themselves..