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[–] [email protected] 118 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Yesterday I read on mastodon that leaving Twitter to go to Bluesky is like quitting smoking to start vaping. Changing a centralized place that lives off your data for another one. Right now Bluesky does not have hate speech like Twitter just because it does not suit the current accounts of its shareholders

[–] [email protected] 87 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I think we just need to adopt the 2000s mindset again of dropping a platform when it gets shit. No one gave a fuck about the loss of Digg and Myspace.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Apparently they just become fascist

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

When did this become the default?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

I had a really good friend on MySpace that I lost touch with. I think he was a little paranoid, we didn't speak much and he was always looking over his shoulder. His name was Tom.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

But now I have nostalgia for MySpace lol. Digg… not so much

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Switching to vaping is less bad, and for me, it lead to me quitting all together. So to me, this is still a small win, and I like to celebrate small wins these days.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting menthols to smoke regular cigarettes, and switching to a decentralized platform would be more analogous to a switch to vaping. Quitting social media entirely would equate better to 'quitting smoking' in my mind, as i dont think any platform is mentally healthful (yes i am fully aware of the hypocrisy of posting this comment as a lemmy user).

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago

I would say quitting twitter to join bluesky is more like quitting ~~menthols~~ PCP to smoke regular cigarettes

Fixed that for you.


For those who are unfamiliar,

PCP may cause hallucinations, distorted perceptions of sounds, and violent behavior.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Since Twitter is currently really really toxic, dangerous, and run by a maniac; and Bluesky currently is not (it's actually been amazingly non-toxic)...I strongly disagree.

Even shittier anaology, but it's more like moving from a house that has an active gas leak to a house that has gas pipes in the house. Has potential for leaks, but there aren't any right now. And it currently has working gas leak detectors.

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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I don’t know if hate speech will be able to flourish on Bluesky like on twitter simply because of the moderation tools.

There’s already a giant blocklist of maga idiots who have tried to move over, and if you follow that list you’ll never see their posts. And the unwritten rule of the place is to block anyone who is trying to start stuff or that you simply don’t like. On twitter that felt taboo for some reason, but on Bluesky that’s normal - as it should be, really.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Where can I get this list?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Here is one. I'm sure there are several.

https://bsky.app/profile/skywatch.blue/lists/3l53cjwlt4o2s

Edit: Just came across a post with several useful block lists for maga, nazis, other shitheads:

https://bsky.app/profile/azalben.bsky.social/post/3lawjdxpick2l

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I left Twitter years ago, but I think you could also block whoever you want, whether people do it more or less is independent of the site, the moderation tools are the same. 3

What's more, I am 100% sure that if in a few years Bluesky considers it economically beneficial for its shareholders that these tools "have occasional failures" this will happen without a doubt. This is something that if happens in Mastodon, changing the node you are done

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Bluesky also lets you unpin your quotes from others posts so no quote dunking and they have a nuclear block. If you’re blocked, you can’t see their posts anywhere in quotes or otherwise (excepting screenshots) and that interaction is broken completely even to third parties that may have neither blocked.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Twitter didn't have block lists. You could block people individually, but not as a group.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

If they're still allowed on the platform to speak their mind amongst their ilk, doesn't that just create an echo chamber of idiots? Assuming they stay instead of leaving after their fe-fes get hurt, of course.

[–] croaker 4 points 1 month ago

There will always be echo chambers of idiots. Twitter is more or less that already.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)

https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting it’s not so bad; they’re a lot more open than people giving them credit for. it’s just not as federated - yet

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

It has a single owner who makes the decisions and makes profitable the contributions of the users. It is a social media model that has been over for me for some time now, if they are open the better for them, I am not going to join anyway.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Twitter started dying when they closed the API

Bluesky’s is perfectly operational

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Things never change, companies never break promises, shareholders never hold power over decision, people can not be bought

Those would all have to be true in order for anyone to have a reason to put trust into Bluesky.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not a great analogy considering Vaping is infinitely healtheri than Smoking, but.. yeah.. they need to go to Mastodon.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

I'm not going to discuss it with you, because I'm not a doctor nor is it the issue, but the health authorities (at least the European ones) do not agree with your statement.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Not really. You can host your own data but you still rely on Bluesky’s services to access it. And there is no realistic way to migrate your content or audience to another platform outside their control

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

How is mastodon not just a bunch of centralized platforms?

Sure the servers communicate with each other but the content is still just on one of them. Goes the server, so goes the content.

Or am I mistaking?

If it is like I say I feel it is more trading Hitler in for, potentially, a bunch of smaller Hitlers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

a bunch of centralized platforms?

This is what decentralized means. If your home instance goes to shit, you can just move your account to another one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

But you can't really? If I remember correctly you still lose all the posts, followers and pretty much everything that you would expect to keep.

Technically you keep your account but let's be honest, you don't in the sense people want.

Maybe my knowledge is dated but that is what I recall about moving accounts.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

IIRC the content is on multiple. If there's a single user on lemmy.world subscribing to content from somewhere.else's foo community, then foo will be synced to lemmy.world and if somewhere.else is taken down it will remain on lemmy.world.

But someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, it isn't just about servers going offline. If a single server does something bad, you can just switch to a different one and enjoy the same content you've been seeing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If something has hundreds of "centralised" platforms owned and run by a diversity of different people and spread all over the world geographically, then that's "decentralised".

I can't really think of another way in which something could be decentralised.

With ActivityPub, there's nothing stopping you hosting a server literally just for yourself. It wouldn't get much more decentralised than that.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Well, I am not a systems engineer to answer your question, in any case smaller Hitlers equals Hitlers with less power. Dividing power is not the definitive solution to authoritarianism, but it usually helps a lot, especially if the agents are also competitive. "If you are too Hitler, I'll go to this other server that is a little less so" is a valid incentive to avoid the Hitlerization of the admins.

I don't think I've ever used the name Hitler so much.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I was just reading up on bluesky yesterday and you can self host and also have a bridge to link with the fediverse so maybe there is some hope to communicate

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The bridges are singular points of failure. If the bridge you use goes down you lose all your audience that was on that bridge. It’s better than nothing however. I will consider normies using threads and Bluesky a win as much as I can but it’d be so more ideal if we just all were on open and truly federated protocols instead of relying on half measures

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Yeah I've been trying to convince an acquaintance to use mastodon instead of Twitter for a while then yesterday he mentioned he created a bluesky account and I had to look it up, not great but better I guess

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

It's a start. At least ordinary people are leaving Twitter for another site in some capacity.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

We will be here when that goes to shit as well.

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