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[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Bullshit.

Yeah, sure,in the US, the center has been moving right steadily for decades, and that's an issue

However, all these types "defending the left" and "doing the right thing" apparently forgot that we live in a real world where things just aren't that fucking simple.

There was a lot of criticism to be said about kamela, but she would have been day where trump will be night.

Say good bye to your left leaning opinions now, I wonder if you're even allowed to have them, a year from now. People like you are the reason why the entire world got worse, and the US will go off a cliff where it may never be able to recover from. Say good bye to Palestine, Ukraine is fucked. But congratulations, you "did the right thing" and stoof your ground and didn't vote for Harris, hou should be proud of yourself.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

But congratulations, you “did the right thing” and stoof your ground and didn’t vote for Harris, hou should be proud of yourself.

I made this post on a French community, to talk about our country, what happened for us during this summer. Not at all for the us election.
Indeed, I didn't vote for Harris, but I'm French again, living in France so, I couldn't you see.

Say good bye to Palestine, Ukraine is fucked.

I'm really afraid about this, in fact.

Say good bye to your left leaning opinions now, I wonder if you’re even allowed to have them,

Oh you don't know me, but I'm far from the right ideas, and from the ML too...

Now, if you want to discuss, take a glance on what happened to our country who massively voted for the left (nouveau front populaire), and the deny of democracy we got just after, thanks to Macron. Spoiler : He jus put far right instead at the government.. With theses kinds of arguments(these of the pic).

So with all of this,
I just don't talk about the US, and I'm sad for you, who got trump as president.

Now go drink maybe instead giving your rage to the wrong person.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Where's the straw man?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Agreed that the left had shifted right. Don't agree that lesser evil voting is the reason for this.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 hours ago

I'm with you on that. It's hard to blame lesser evil voting when the greater evil is the one who wins the election.

If the lesser evil was winning and yet still shifting right to compromise, that would be the problem the comic describes. But in reality, the lesser evil is retreating right because that's the side that is getting more votes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

hmmm,
Im guilty to avoid vote sometimes just because of this personnaly,

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

In America (or anywhere else with a two party system), this can be understood through the Ratchet Effect.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I think this is actually understood fairly well which is why rhetoric like “both sides are the same” comes about because neither option moves things the other direction. FPTP two party system sucks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

The two party system is an inevitable result of a first past the post electoral system. Ranked choice/preference voting gives us a way out of this trap. https://truethevote.org/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I'd like to believe it's fairly well understood, but tell it to the average liberal and you'll get a lecture on Horseshoe Theory.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Thanks, TIL,

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I like it but I wish the enlightened centrist had more dumb shit to say, they have so many fantastic lines such as "there's no real difference between right or left"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

they are both evils, lmao, Humanists idea vs fascists idea, lawl,

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

We're forced to play a rigged game. The only way to stop it requires too much risk/sacrifice. It's easier to just survive. Not saying it's right or wrong but the question we should ask ourselves is "what am I willing to give up to break this game?"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

"the far left and the far right are the same. No I won't support the far left and yes I will compromise with the far right. Why do you ask?"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Pretty sure the 'enlightened centrist' in this meme represents the 'leftwing' party, does it not? That's the party that 'compromises' when the Overton window moves right.

Everybody on the actual left is represented by the crying figure.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The road to hell is paved with "lesser evils".

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

and with good intents 😪

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Tghost qui post sur une commu francophone et les anglophones pensent que ça parle des US épisode 314

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Les Anglophones qui viennent sur jlai.lu c'est vraiment un running gag

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

im really sorry ^^"
En plus oulala, ca vient l'instance du diable 😅,
Mais je trouve que cela resume exactement la situation francaise egalement, malheureusement.

HS : d'ou le fait que je veuille pas etre defedere, tout n'est pas a jeter, apres chacun.e sa patience et la ou iel est pret a "s'investir"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Tkt c'est pas ta faute haha

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Si le "centre" essaie de courtiser des gens qui sont a droite et que ça fonctionne, mais qu'à chaque fois ils ont à se déplacer de plus en plus à droite pour suivre le parti de droite qui fait la même chose, ça veut quand même dire que le parti de droite de trouve des nouveaux électeurs chaque fois qu'il se déplace, sinon on verrait ses votes diminuer à mesure que les électeurs tombent du bateau à gauche...

Sinon l'autre possibilité c'est que les électeurs ne font que suivre le parti à mesure qu'il se déplace à droite et qu'en fait c'est un mouvement futile sauf dans le but, comme l'image semble sous-entendre, de normaliser une pensée encore plus extrémiste...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ou alors les électeurs sont plus volatiles que tu sembles le penser, ne votent pas nécessairement dans leur propre intérêt ni selon leurs idéaux, ne sont pas aussi informés qu'ils pourraient l'être, sont victimes d'un système qui joue sur des biais cognitifs pour leur faire croire que les centristes sont forcément raisonnables parce qu'ils sont au milieu, se font matraquer par un système médiatique qui suit des agendas différents du bien commun, etc.

Idem pour les partis centristes d'ailleurs. Y'a forcément une part de cynisme dans le fait de systématiquement courtiser les électeurs de droite en droitisant leur discours d'année en année tout en qualifiant tout ce qui est vaguement a leur gauche d'extrémistes ou de radicaux, quitte à renforcer la droite, mais je pense pas que ça soit le cas de la majorité d'entre eux qui pensent probablement sincèrement être simplement "raisonnables" et ne faire que suivre un mouvement de fond qui se fera avec ou sans eux. Malheureusement le résultat est le même peu importe l'intention : les positions de droite voire d'extrême-droite sont normalisées au fur et à mesure qu'elles sont adoptées par des gens qui ont une image de "raisonnables modérés", et la fenêtre d'Overton se décale.

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