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Warner Presses Valve to Crack Down on Hateful Accounts and Rhetoric Proliferating on Steam (www.warner.senate.gov)
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[–] [email protected] 16 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Asking Valve to crack down on hate-speech and extremist behavior? Sounds great. There's some really awful shit on there and I'd love it if they'd do something about it before it becomes fully entrenched as a Nazi bar.

Edit: I'd also love to hear why the folks who apparently disagree feel that way. Is it because other platforms are worse? Because they are, but that doesn't mean our platform should be allowed to be bad, too. Is it because it's a gaming platform and you want to keep the politics out of our hobby? I'm with you, but this isn't really political per se, and it's not like he's specifically targeting Steam - as the article notes, he's been drawing attention to this sort of thing on a variety of platforms, so why is it suddenly objectionable to you that he's calling Steam out?

I guess what I'm getting at is, why not engage in a discussion about it? The downvotes here suggest that you have an opinion on the topic, so why not share it?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)
  1. Slippery slope.
  2. Who is in charge of defining what is hate speech and extremist behaviour? What if it were the people who don't agree with your definitions is in charge of setting the definitions?
  3. Everything is political. One does not simply say something isn't political and it magically becomes so.
  4. Free speech is one of those things that is absolute. You are either for it or not, any encroachment is going to be the anti position. Obviously popular speech isn't something that needs to be protected.
  5. The government asking/telling/coercing a private company to do something to circumvent restrictions against itself is one of the basest tenets of facism. We saw enough of that lately with government doing the same thing with social media. Twitter was going to shit before Elon* and I think a big part of that was exactly doing what Warner is asking wink wink here.
  • Elon put Twitter on the fast lane to shit, but he didn't start it down that path. Fuck Jack, fuck Spez.
[–] [email protected] 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

Who is in charge of defining what is hate speech and extremist behaviour?

The specific behavior that's being called out here - antisemitic, Nazi, sexuality- or gender-based hate, and white supremacist content - are pretty common definitions of hate speech and extremist behavior. Either way, he calls out Valve's own internally written content policies - which he states aren't being enforced - as the point of contention; he doesn't seem to be imposing outside views on them.

What if it were the people who don’t agree with your definitions is in charge of setting the definitions?

Then Steam becomes X or Truth Social, I guess? I think the chances of that happening are incredibly slim. A more likely negative outcome would be the terms being interpreted to broadly and positive speech being limited along with the negative, but to your point

Slippery slope.

Aren't you the one committing the slippery slope fallacy here? You're seemingly suggesting that a crackdown on hate speech will lead to or open the door to a bunch of negative outcomes.

Free speech is one of those things that is absolute. You are either for it or not, any encroachment is going to be the anti position. Obviously popular speech isn’t something that needs to be protected.

If you're defining 'free speech' as the ability to say whatever you want, wherever you want (including on private platforms), without facing consequences, then no, I don't support (your rigid definition of) free speech. I think that's a ridiculous definition to use, though, and I don't think it should be viewed as black or white. 'Free speech absolutism' is what leads to misinformation on the scale we're currently seeing (in the US). Furthermore, 'free speech' as outlined in the first amendment doesn't apply here at all.

Regardless, I don't like the idea of my kid (or any kids) being exposed to Nazi, white supremacist, or discriminatory rhetoric when he's on a gaming platform. Since that's specifically what Warner claims to be addressing here, I support calling it into question.

As Black Friday and the holiday buying season approaches, the American public should know that not only is Steam an unsafe place for teens and young adults to purchase and play online games, but also that, absent a change in Valve’s approach to user moderation and the type of behavior that it welcomes on its platform, Steam is playing a clear role in allowing harmful ideologies to spread and take root among the next generation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I can't even go to the forums any more. It's nothing but trolls and bait. If I have an issue with a game, I'm better off going to reddit, and that's fuckin saying something.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Which ones are ya going to? Cause the forums I see are either tech support for various weird issues or in the case of paradox games abject schizo posting.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

"IS THIS GAME WOKE?", or my favorite pre-release thread: "WHEN SALE?" All of them, all the time. The Steam forums are trash.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

Yeah sounds about right for newer games. Prolly should stick to older and more niche games on that side of things.