I for one have stopped posting any content to lemmy.ml communities.
I'm out of the loop, what's going on?
this post was submitted on 23 Nov 2024
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Posting this to lemmy.world, lol
Why would you want to create an echo chamber? I genuinely don't get it, it's the internet, if you encounter an opinion you disagree with, literally just close the tab and it's gone
Most people on here don't mind being exposed to different viewpoints. If you ask me, even some - or even most, IDK - tankies are fine to talk to, even argue with, as they are usually civil.
The problem is that there are a lot of users on the *.ml instances who are not interested in debate, they just keep repeating the same 2-3 slogans over and over again in smug superiority as a reply to everything, and mods ban people randomly the same way.
When you meet some users who reply "you are misled by Western media" to anything you say as a final and incontrovertible argument, that's not a good faith debate I'm willing to participate in.
The problem is not the differing opinions, but the differing norms for polite conversation and good faith arguments.
- posted on *.world
"We should defederate from everything which does not agree with my .world view and create a giant centralized echo chamber"!
Why the fuck does every .world user suddenly want Lemmy to be Reddit?
Personally I would like to be able to talk to people with different views, in a civil manner. But Lemmy.ml doesn't seem to want that. If you post something that they don't like (even if it's a very moderate view and is expressed in a completely civil way) then they ban you. They seem to really hate moderate people.
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I don't think the meme makes sense. The ml users don't seem to care how much other content is out there. They still participate as much as they'd like.
Listen. Just fuckin listen to me. The moment I joined lemmy every enthusiast was singing praise to the fediverse and how it's easy to maintain the freedom of speach and yada yada yada. What it turned out to be is just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that while lemmy still fucking struggles to even become a mere shadow of reddit. I fucking hate reddit, I think spez should be covered in fire ants, but by god, looking at how insufferable most vocal lemmy users are, I may get back to reddit, probably as many other lemmy users already did.
If it helps, most of this inter-instance drama comes from a surprisingly small group of people. I've blocked most of them (looks like I missed the OP here) and it's much quieter now. Looking at my block list, they're mostly from .world, but that could be due to the large population.
It is easy to maintain freedom of speech on Lemmy. The idea that your instance can defederate from instances like Lemmy.ml, but everyone on Lemmy.ml can continue to post on their own server, and federate with any other given server by default is the entire point of federation and proof of concept that the fediverse is great for free speech. You’re under the impression that all Lemmy servers are supposed to be part of one big whole, but that’s not what the fediverse is for.
You have to understand that “free speech” is a negative freedom and it doesn’t mean everyone has to listen to you. It just means nobody can force you not to speak.
just constant quarrels between instances, defederations and crap like that
Sounds like you picked the wrong instance. The one I use doesn't defederate, from anyone. So when some drama about "should we defederate from some server because they are a big corp/because they are right wing/because they are tankies/because they allow loli/whatever, I basically get to watch and laugh knowing it's not going to effect me.
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