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New Mexico governor issues order suspending the right to carry firearms in public across Albuquerque (apnews.com)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (4 children)

What a silly hill to die on. This is blatantly unconstitutional. That's obvious to everyone, even those of us who might agree in spirit. So it's just a waste. A waste of time and tax payer money. New Mexico is gonna spend time and resources on this that could be better spent elsewhere.

What's more it wastes political capital. Capital that is gonna be needed soon for the Democratic party. So I can't fathom why she's doing this. She just gave conservatives the high ground and a huge rallying call.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago

With the current court, it is unconstitutional. Several states banned public carry when the country was founded including Virginia so it's not like that was unheard of at the time.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

100% this. It feels like sabotage.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 11 months ago (1 children)

A judge has already issued a temporary order to block the ban.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Thank goodness, the murders can continue

[–] [email protected] 36 points 11 months ago (25 children)

I know right, this governor should have made murder illegal instead touches forhead

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

For a second there I worried my children could die without firearms!

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 months ago (17 children)

Open or concealed carry is insane. You Americans are unhinged.

This is from a gun owner.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Believing a politician can unilaterally suspend a right protected by both the federal and state constitution is unhinged.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I wasn't commenting on that, I was commenting on carrying a gun in public

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Licensed concealed carriers have a lower violent crime rate than the general public. So its unhinged to ban these individuals from carrying thinking it'll stop criminals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Again, I wasn't commenting about the ban. Just the desire to carry a gun in public.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Licensed concealed carriers have a lower violent crime rate than the general public.

Than the general public in America maybe, but legal gun owners in other countries have a violent crime rate of functionally zero, since they're properly vetted through laws that aren't dogshit.

But even giving you that point, what about all the violent crime those permissive laws enable?

Over 70% of mass shooters use legal firearms. Of the remaining, most are teenagers who took the poorly secured firearm of a family member.

There is no magic gun fairy distributing illegal firearms. Every firearm in the hands of a criminal was either bought legally, stolen from a "responsible gun owner" who didn't secure it, straw purchased or purchased through a loophole.

Nevertheless, the pro-gun community opposes more robust background checks, mandatory safe storage laws or the closing of loopholes.

And what does the public get in return? Mostly just shot because none of the pro-gun promises have come true.

Good guys with guns intervene in 3% of shootings. The crime rate remains the same as comparable countries. The country is no more free when measured by any metric except guns. The government spies on and kills its own citizens.

The gun laws are a failure.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (9 children)

I don't feel like writing an essay to address all your points, I don't have the time right now I'm sorry. Ultimately it comes down to the fact the highest law (and most state constitutions) of the land gives us the inalienable right to arms. Period. (And no "well regulated" does not mean legal regulations)

I believe we would be far better off dealing with the root of violence, like many European countries have done but gun control advocates like to only focus on gun control laws. People with financial, health, reproductive, and employment security don't commit violent crimes. Things like labor protections, maternity/paternity leave, mandatory vacation time, physical and mental healthcare that won't bankrupt you are some of the things that dramatically reduce all violent crime regardless of the tool used.

Look at violent crimes in the US compared to the UK for things like murder using only the human body (ie kicks, punches, strangulation, etc), its lower per 100k in the UK and many other European countries. There's no body control laws restricting how strong or trained your body can be, yet its lower. Its because people who's needs are actually met don't need to turn to or are driven to crime, our social protections in the USA suck ass and need to be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I agree with you. Even if the US got rid of every single gun in the country we'd probably still have just as many murders. There's something else at play here that causes us to be violent. As a general rule happy people don't kill others. Legislation to fix our social issues would go a long way towards reducing violence, but it's a whole lot easier to just say "guns bad".

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

From what I saw, even the Democrat AG of New Mexico won't support or defend this in court.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

Yeah, she's also lost the support of many of her party members.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Goddam...we love our guns, though.

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