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Idk if this is the right community for this conversation, but it's been on my mind and I want to share it with someone.

In the 00's every new thing we heard about the internet was exciting. There were new protocols, new ways to communicate, new ways to share files, new ways to find each other. Every time we heard anything new about the internet, it was always progress.

That lasted into the early teens and then things started changing. Things started stagnating. Now we're well into the phase where every new piece of news we hear is negative. New legislations, new privacy intrusions, new restrictions, new technologies to lock content away and keep us from sharing, or seeing the content we were looking for. New ways to force ads.

At one point the Internet was my most favorite thing in the world. Now I don't know if I even like it anymore. I certainly don't look forward to hearing news about it. It's sad, man. We've lost a lot. The mega corps took the internet from us, changed it from a million small sites that people created because they had big ideas, or were passionate about small ones, and turned it into a few enormous sites with no new ideas, no passion, just an insatiable desire for money.

We're at the end of an era, and unlike the last 20 years of progress, I don't think most of us will like what the next era brings.

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[–] [email protected] 129 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Well. Those corporations took their money and threw it in. Basically fusions of different services. Besides that you have a lot of clickbaits and cheap stuff like dropshops and so on.

You gotta be very picky on what services you use. Lemmy f.e. is amazing for me. It does not feel like someone wants to get money off me.

The internet basically became what the analog world was before and it's anything else than amazing.

Edit: in short terms: Capitalism took the internet from the people.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Edit: in short terms: Capitalism took the internet from the people.

Well said. The Internet was certainly a lot more fun before anyone figured out how to make money on it. But it's insane that these companies make more money now than even the largest giants did when I was a kid, and it's still not enough for them. I'm just flabbergasted by their insatiable desire. They could keep a good product and still pull insane profits, but they're willing to burn it all down for another percentage point on their quarterly return. I guess that's a change to the world in general now too. There used to be a common wisdom that if you built a great product, and made your customers happy, you'd be successful. The prevailing attitude now is that the success that comes from that isn't enough anymore. You need to make the worst product that you're still able to sell, and then make sure you sell it to the same people multiple times. It's gross.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s the cancer that capitalism truly is. If you’re not growing, you’re failing and enshittification is an inevitable late stage consequence of capitalism.

It’s just pump and dump.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

enshittification is an inevitable late stage consequence

Maybe, but I don't think it is. Enshittification is a direct result of our tax policy that encourages cashing out, only looks at the short term, and requires constant growth.

There was a time when companies built a reputation and held onto it for a hundred years. We could go back to that.

Tax the rich.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yup. Wikipedia is a good example for an instance that solely exists to support people.

There are plenty sites of this. Take a look at some websites that are teaching you skills without asking for money and so on.

That's how I remember the internet. Sharing knowledge. Of course bigger sites need to make ends meet somehow and that fine with me. But as you already said - more more more.

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[–] GregorGizeh 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

What they do is the essence of capitalism. More growth. More profits. Enough, or the same as last year, is not sufficient. It must be more, the numbers must go up. And any publicly traded company is legally bound to pursue gains for its shareholders, they actually cannot stop. What makes a corporation is the same thing that makes them hellbent on yet another fraction of a percentage in profits.

The whole system is utterly ridiculous and fundamentally incompatible with reality, once you actually think about these things. A system demanding infinite growth in a finite world.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Funny I said the same thing in 1995.

The internet is what you make of it. Meaning, you don’t need the entire wide area network, you just need what you don’t want in your local area network.

In terms of an interconnected network, you need only what you need!

This is an amazing time. Lemmy, self hosting, docker, cloud hosting, $100 consumer devices that rival $10k servers from ten years ago, AI, LLM, global gaming, etc….

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

In 2004 I was a radical young man protesting for bikes and against the Iraq War. At one of the meetups another kid who had been at the RNC protest in New York showed us this software someone had hacked together overnight to broadcast SMS messages. Basically you could send an SMS to a VOIP phone number and it would echo the SMS to everyone subscribed. They were using it to communicate in the crowd at the protest and avoid police kettles. It was pretty cool but I admit I didn't really see it as being more broadly useful.

Later that night the group went for drinks and I was talking with one of the older radicals and he was telling me that the internet was too good and too powerful and they were going to shut it down. I thought that was absurd. How could they get rid of the internet!? He said they would figure out a way to shut it down, there's just no way they could leave it out there, it's too dangerous for them to do so.

Now I look at the thing we call "the internet" in 2023 and it looks nothing like that internet. The current internet is completely corralled, controlled and monetized. He was totally right. While they never "flipped the switch" on it they used salami tactics little by little until there was nothing left.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago

The current internet is completely corralled, controlled and monetized. He was totally right. While they never "flipped the switch" on it they used salami tactics little by little until there was nothing left.

It's death by a thousand cuts, and we're not even at the death, yet. No matter how cut up and enervated the internet already is, the denial is present for those that refuse to see it or just don't remember the time before the cuts. It's even in this thread, basically wearing this face: this-is-fine

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I only really watch foss stuff, which should be exciting, but I get tired as it's always much of the same news:

  • a new private messenger (like we don't have 500 of those already)
  • a new app/program/distro that does the same thing as 10 other ones
  • a "simple" app/program that doesn't do much of anything, just like 10 other ones of the same kind, will get 3 updates and then die
  • something for the terminal for terminal nerds that could really use a gui but shutup you dirty normie
  • a library that sounds cool but nobody except maybe some corporation will ever use it
  • announcement of a complete rewrite, which means we'll never hear of the project again

So I'm not exactly thrilled about anything either, tho for every different reasons

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (5 children)

announcement of a complete rewrite, which means we’ll never hear of the project again

A complete rewrite/redesign actually happens but with half of the original app's features missing

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The enshitification of all things is so frustrating. You witness perfectly useful technology being destroyed in the pursuit of like 5 dollars. I don't answer the phone unless I've told someone to call me because it's always a robot, my email inbox is full of garbage I didn't ask for so I don't check in much, now they've got robots texting me scams. I can't even pay for petrol in peace, because they make a nickel having a tiny television try to sell me an energy drink. And nothing is done because heaven forefend that anything should come in the way of an extra .02% increase in some asshole's quarterly report.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I was pumping gas a couple of weeks ago and that stupid TV came on and started playing ads at full blast. I stopped pumping, went inside, and pulled a Karen. I asked for the manager and then told him that I want someone to know that I'm never coming back to that station because it's forcing ads on me when I'm already paying for a product. Then I left and will never go back. I know they don't give a shit about one person, but if more people took these stands then we could stop having so much shit shoved down our throats.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can't in good conscience make a worker's day worse because of something they don't control, but I understand the sentiment. I agree though that collective action is probably our best shot at seeing change.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wasn't rude about it. I doubt it had any measurable impact on their day at all.

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[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 year ago (3 children)

In the meanwhile, EU legislation has gone from being so boring you would prefer to watch the grass grow to making headlines that make you smile.

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You can thank capitalism for this, back at the dawn of the internet it was largely just regular people running sites and building organic networks. Then the internet started getting commercialized, and the tech started turning increasingly user hostile and exploitative.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago

Corporations complain about how IOT was supposed to be the next big thing but it went bust. Meanwhile they are the ones who tried to use it intrude on everyones lives. Which is why no one wants it.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've been using Linux for decades and I don't use the big tech sites much. I get excited about a new release of Gnome or KDE or some cool command line utility...

Because you are right, the web is taken over and they want to turn it into cable TV subscriptions for sites and verified internet accounts etc.

The goals of the security agencies and the goals of the big tech ad agencies go hand in hand. None of them care about the users, and both of them just wants the user data, as much as possible.

I think using tech like Lemmy and Matrix gets us away from all of that shit, and it's good enough these days for anyone to use without too much trouble.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The mega corps took the internet from us, changed it from a million small sites that people created because they had big ideas, or were passionate about small ones, and turned it into a few enormous sites with no new ideas, no passion, just an insatiable desire for money.

I read it as: 'They embraced, extended and extinguished what you held dear'.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I totally agree with you here. Now it feels like bots (AI) making content for bots (crawlers) and the only thing we a getting programmed to use is Google, where your question is answered without the need to even visit the website it took the data from.

It's just boring and I'm a website developer 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Google has been trying very hard, for a very long time, to be the only destination on the internet. They want all the traffic. They started with site summaries at the top of the search page, then they moved to AMP, where they're in charge of serving the content that others create, now they even show Reddit chains on their home page, and who knows what they have planned next. By serving content that other people created they get to serve their ads and keep 100% of the revenue, rather than sharing a pittance with some small AdSense publisher. They announced to the world that their values had changed when they changed their motto from Don't Be Evil, and they're certainly ignoring it now.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The death of this guy has to do with some of it, he worked on some pretty cool stuff and was an all-around pretty awesome dude working for the betterment of the world.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The way I see it Steve Jobs marked a turning point with those Apple events. The corporate platitude bullshit with the "you told us and we listened" jargon. Before technology was mainly hobbyist nerds making stuff out of the love of technology. There was a two way relationship where the developers trusted the users and the users trusted the developers be acting in good faith. Now it's lifeless and jaded beneath a veneer of forced corporate smiles. Over the years everyone adopted the turtleneck speak in one way or another.

It's an insult to our intelligence to push anti-patterns. All while expecting us to engage like sheep in the mandatory capitalist pep rally. 'We made 20% efficiency to your oppressive experience. Now cheer! I said CHEER damn it'.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Over the years everyone adopted the turtleneck speak in one way or another.

One of the posters in these replies, right now, is like an animated Steve Jobs turtleneck come to life trying to peddle hustlegrinds.

Now it's up to you to take a shot at creating the next exciting thing. Aim high and give all you can to succeed. corporate-art

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)

That widely depends on what you are using it for. I think it’s amazing.

I can buy a computer for $500 with 8 cores, 32GB ram, 512GB NVME storage. I can install free open source linux distribution on it that manages virtual machines. It can run dozens of containerized free/open source applications on it.

Then, i can use my domain name and freely available services like letsencrypt and cloudflare to make it securely available on the internet.

Internet is what you make of it, always has been.

If you only rely to 3rd party websites then you’re missing out on a lot of usability.

I guess it depends on when you stared using it.

Today, a lot if people take a lot of things for granted.

I still remember the days of waiting for a website to load, making myself coffee while it’s loading.

Now i can stream realtime 4k video of my house on my phone, served by my computer.

I can game with friends conencted to my voice chat server that i own and has awesome voice quality and low latency.

I can have all my files available wherever i am, instantly.

I can forget my phone and my laptop, login to my server at a friend’s computer and do whatever i need to do.

All that wouldn’t be possible if the internet was stuck in the 90’s.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 year ago

In my teenage years, the Internet was my favorite escape from the horribleness of my offline life. I thought it would always remain so, so decided to start a career in software engineering because that would be an improvement to the world.

Now that I haven't been a teenager for nearly ten years, often enough the Internet is actively bad for my mental health and I have to get away from it to improve my mood. I have no interest in participating in propaganda wars.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Now it's up to you to take a shot at creating the next exciting thing. Aim high and give all you can to succeed.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (56 children)

What do you have in mind for the 99.99% of people that don't win the tech innovation lottery? honk

What do you have in mind for the 99.99% of people that don't win the tech innovation lottery? big-honk

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m really enjoying the fedi, but a return to the text and ANSI graphics and community of 93 BBS keeps calling me.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I just ignore the news entirely and enjoy my little part of the internet with the people I like.

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