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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

That sounds eerily similar to a situation in Secret of NIMH (the book, not the movie), when the rats

Tap for spoilerbeing taught how to read discover how to open their cages at night and decide to free the caged mice next to them out of empathy, who then aid in their escape.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I wonder about this in animals all the time. Like, many animals seem to really enjoy being loved on and getting scritches, have a relationship with their owner or caregiver, are happy to see them and snuggle up… but in the wild they might be mostly solitary, only interacting with their own kind for mating and maybe raising young. Yet they’re often very different from the (eat sleep reproduce survive) basic wild animal when given the opportunity. They have personalities, happiness, etc.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's called domestication. In the Soviet Union a scientist domesticated foxes by selecting for "niceness". It only took a couple of generations for the typical domestication signs to appear: longer childhood, friendlier face, smartness etc

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (5 children)

They’re talking about fully wild animals. Grab a baby squirrel, and it will enjoy human company in no time. Same with raccoons, ravens, mountain lions, etc.

You’d be hard pressed to find an animal that doesn’t take to human companionship when given a real chance. And it has nothing to do with breeding.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Rats, in specific, do what those studying them have described as laugh when being petted/tickled. It's ultrasonic, so we can't hear it, but other rats can hear it when a rat is enjoying themselves.

https://www.science.org/content/article/tickled-rats-reveal-brain-structure-controls-laughter

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'll take the risk of sounding like Willard here, but rats make delightfully playful and affectionate pets.

It sounds counter intuitive but once your rats(need to have at least two) bond to you they treat you like a giant one of them. They'll groom you for hours, and you can play chase with them with your hands like you would with a kitten(without the scratches!) They're like a cat and dog together in a much smaller animal. One of mine played fetch.

I just wish they lived longer and weren't so prone to cancer. Maybe one day science can fix that.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Only 4 or 5 years, right? I don't think I could handle loving a pet who's lifespan was that short. But I do know people who have pet rats and they really love them. Doesn't really surprise me, guinea pigs are similar. And you need to have at least two of them as well.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Couldn't this be explained by the "tit-for-tat" hypothesis? That selfless behaviour is learned in communal animals, and that its implied it will be you who need help next time?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

There is a bat species that I think feeds on blood, and they share the food they managed to get in a night, if a bat refuses to share one night then the next time they get left out of the sharing.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Yeah to a degree, maybe it was some kinda low sugar chocolate or something

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Yes, sorta like how you're able to drink mercury, but you really shouldn't.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

They can eat most of the same stuff we can. Part of why they're frequently used for tests.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Empathy over natural selection ftw.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Empathy was created by natural selection - of groups, not individuals, of course.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Fear and stress shut down empathy. But narcissists feel constant fear and stress. And we've made a hellworld that rewards narcissism

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Which is why rats never built empires and conquered the world

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

In many cities, there are more rats than human. And yet, who feeds who?

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Why do you say the rats are better than us? Humans can be observed doing the same in similar circumstances.

[–] Cethin 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

~~Some~~ Most humans. The notable (but not exclusive) exceptions being people who manage to become ultra-wealthy.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

On the other hand, they willingly live in sewers and their sense of smell is stronger than ours.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But good or bad is still subjective.

E: maybe a little broad. I meant pleasant smells. In the case of rats probably dictated by biology.

You'd probably willingly live next to a bakery.

[–] SpaceXplorer_8042 4 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well, everyone's got their kinks.

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