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[–] theywilleatthestars@lemmy.world 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Cannot believe what our nation is coming to! How the hell is it under 50??

[–] orcrist@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I imagine it's from people who just don't watch the news. They don't know how evil that CEO was, so they blindly apply common sense.

[–] meliaesc@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

That was my gut reaction right after it happened, since UHC is my insurance company. But I'm just disappointed people are either lack curiosity, lack empathy, or actively support the true evil here.

[–] AbsoluteChicagoDog@lemm.ee 58 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] pearsaltchocolatebar@discuss.online 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] DerArzt@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

41% of people they asked! Who knows what criteria they used to get their sample set, so the number may even be higher.

[–] ZoopZeZoop@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Also, do we know the specific wording? The wording of the questions around it? Those can have a significant impact on the answers.

[–] Wogi@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yes. This was a study by Emerson college. The methodology is linked in the article.

[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Of course the old people who are "fuck you I got mine" say it's completely unacceptable LMAO

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[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 41 points 2 days ago

That sounds extremely low. What young voters are they polling? The Amish?

[–] jagged_circle@feddit.nl 63 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yeah that is shocking. My guess is lots of people declined to say for obvious reasons. The number has to be closer to 80%

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[–] GiddyGap@lemm.ee 16 points 1 day ago

They also claim that they want more equality, universal healthcare, less student debt, etc. And then a ton of them proceeded to vote for Donald Trump. I can't take anything they say seriously.

[–] Heikki@lemm.ee 13 points 1 day ago

I mean, "Broadly gesturing to everything"

[–] DrFistington@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago

Gotta pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers!

[–] sumguyonline@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Many things people find despicable are common place in the fog of war. I will never agree with gunning down a poor person no matter what they did, justice is served for the poor daily on a cold lead plate. For the 1%??? Who can we call when insurance kills our loved ones? When Dr's make intentional mistakes and your loved one is dead? Can you call the police and expect them to go snorkeling to find evidence? Or can you maybe expect a call in a few weeks with a maybe update? We have seen how they respond when one of their masters is murdered. Until there is actual justice for all citizens, there will be no peace. Eat the rich.

[–] Narauko@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

I'm not prepared to say people can't deserve being gunned down based on socioeconomic status, but I am all for the rich getting their fair share of the gunning down. Preventing active murder or grievous bodily harm, harming children, etc.

There is too much gunning down, and especially for unreasonable things, but I won't lose sleep when those in power effecting and enforcing the injustice get theirs. The phrase "just desserts" exists for a reason.

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[–] shittydwarf@lemmy.dbzer0.com 234 points 2 days ago (8 children)
[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 114 points 2 days ago (3 children)

People aren't exactly gonna tell a random stranger and probable Fed that they support murder even if it's really based

[–] WoodScientist@lemmy.world 42 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It's not illegal to say you believe Brian Robert Thompson deserved to die. Hell, you could, perfectly legally, file paperwork to hold a parade in Luigi's honor, right through the heart of DC. It's illegal to make death threats, but it's perfectly legal to express support for someone being killed.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago (4 children)

With the incoming administration, I don't want to be on record as saying that.

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[–] Womdat10@lemmy.blahaj.zone 56 points 2 days ago (9 children)
[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 36 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think of it this way. 41% are willing to say the killing was justified to a perfect stranger.

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[–] RangerJosie@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago

Seems low. Like if they polled exclusively young conservatives or something.

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[–] john89@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 days ago

Only 41%?

We still have work to do.

[–] frayedpickles@lemmy.cafe 27 points 2 days ago

That low? That is a shock.

[–] JovialMicrobial@lemm.ee 42 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Many of these polls are written in way to ellicit a biased response.

Others have already covered how this works, but I'll add to it anyway.

If you ask a question like "do you condemn violence against healthcare CEOs?" A lot of people are going to say yes, because they view themselves as people against violence and respond mostly to that first part.

If you ask "did brian thompson deserve to die for his crimes? Many of the same people will say yes to that too, because people have an innate desire for justice.

Polls do this all the time. It's part of social engineering and plays on the phenomenon that the Asch Conformity Experiments analyzed. Around 35% of people will change their opinions to fit everyone else's even if the answer or opinion is very obviously incorrect.

Don't let them take the narrative back.

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[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 87 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 59 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

There's a teensy bit of data massaging to make the approval rating appear lower... in my opinion of course.

The respondents were asked to rank "acceptability of the killers actions" on a scale of 1 to 5.

Assumin'the average "young voter" views gunning strangers down as:

[1.very unfavorable]

(You would, if asked about murder, say it was bad As a rule. right? I would too. Ya know, unless it was justified.)

Looking at it that way, the same data looks a lot different suddenly.

33% young voters still think the killer is completely unjustified.

7% think there was some justification

19% are undecided if the CEO deserved to die for what he did

24% think the killer was mostly justified... But have reservations

17% believe he was 100% in the right

I got a little free with the interpretations but you get the idea, You could decide to frame the data this way too. there's a saying: statistics don't lie but statisticians do. Here's my 100% true alternate title using the data but presented with the story I want to tell:

67% of Young Voters at Least Partly Approve of Killers Actions

[–] masterofn001@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 days ago

Selective selection of selected data by billionaire controlled media still can't get below 41%

It's awesome how willfully they exclude or manipulate in attempt to soften the information.

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[–] melisdrawing@lemmy.world 28 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Young, like under 26? Like never having had to supply their own health insurance maybe?

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Exactly this. I suspect this group is both young enough to not have to supply their own insurance, or at least young enough to not have faced significant health costs yet. Many people have not yet experienced just how trash the US healthcare system is.

[–] WhatYouNeed@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago

110% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

[–] Cornpop@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago

Pretty shocking it’s that low honestly.

[–] Solumbran@lemmy.world 106 points 2 days ago (6 children)
[–] i_dont_want_to@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 2 days ago (13 children)

When I was young, I wouldn't have found it acceptable. It doesn't matter how badly you're treated, you need to find a peaceful way to resist. It's something drilled into my and my peers' skulls since I can remember.

After seeing little progress (but mostly worsening) with polite requests and peaceful protests, I really can't figure out how it can be unacceptable.

A lot of those kids probably just haven't gained that wisdom yet.

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[–] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

That is shocking. Get your shit together, 59%!

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[–] skozzii@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

A person has to ask themselves the question of does this person help or hurt humanity, and if you look at this company denials since he took over he definetely hurts humanity as a whole.

Not every human life is valuable or worth keeping. We need to treat our weakest members of society better, which is elderly, disabled and children. He hurts those people the most, when he should've trying to protect them. He chose to chase profits over human life.

This is simply a logical consequence. Income equality now is FAR worse than the french revolution, I'm just suprised it took this long.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Every life is valuable and sacred. Every death a tragedy. But I will not cry when tragedy comes for those who grow rich by permitting tragedy.

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[–] ef9357@lemmy.sdf.org 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Shock poll? Who is shocked?

[–] Walk_blesseD@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm shocked that the number isn't higher, does that count?

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[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The fact that politicians and executives consider this a “shock” is part of the problem.

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[–] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 56 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I doubt I’m "young" but I find it acceptable. I’m only shocked it doesn’t happen more. These people making insane amounts of money off the suffering of the working class have been getting away with too much for too long.

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[–] mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't understand what's shocking about that?

I would have called that predictable.

[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 days ago

It seems pretty low

[–] oakey66@lemmy.world 27 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It’s not shocking if you’ve had to deal with any sort of healthcare in this god forsaken shithole of a country.

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just 41%?

The pain felt in the US is still not high enough.

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[–] N0body@lemmy.dbzer0.com 35 points 2 days ago (4 children)

The generation whose future was stolen by greedy, sociopathic billionaires doesn’t care if they get killed. Fetch my fainting couch!

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