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I've been getting used to lemmy for the last couple days, going back and forth between here and reddit and following what's going on, and I think I just realized something that I hadn't been able to put into words.
The lemmy community feels responsive and fun to talk to, and I think that's because the people who are coming here from reddit are the people who are motivated to communicate, and are people who care about the topics in each community. That's pretty cool.
I’ve been feeling weird about leaving Reddit; mainly because it’s been my main source of entertainment, news, and community for over 10 years but this is a really good point about any ‘social’ network. Even the link aggregator sites like Reddit. Over the past couple of years, I feel like my engagement has dropped significantly because it hasn’t been FUN to engage with the communities I was a part of the same way it was when I first joined. I’m hoping to recapture that a bit here specifically on Lemmy and in the fediverse at large.
There is an energy here that I haven't really felt from reddit as a whole in years...
Certain (smaller) subs could still get that same feeling sometimes, but so far I am very much enjoying lemmy. Yeah there's a bit of a learning curve to figuring things out but I think people will catch on fast!
Exactly! Reddit turned in a whine site.
Yes!
I can post and comment here without getting yelled at or worthless, and off topic, replies. I hope they keeps the trolls to a minimum and encourage meaningful contributions.
Hate to see reddit die like this, but Lemmy does feel like a suitable alternative, and I'm glad I switched over. Hopefully we see a lot more users move over as subreddits go dark.
This is so weird and cool, like a bunch of different entire Reddits connected together, each with redditors all Redditing together. I am also a refugee, hi.
I think this reply by spez has been badly overlooked:
“the LLM explosion put all Reddit data use at the forefront”.
What he means here is that earlier this year the board realised they were sitting on a massive gold mine, and their single focus right now is to exploit that as ruthlessly as possible. Jacking up the prices to access Reddit data to eye-watering levels is intended to fleece desperate AI bros, and this may well be the only revenue stream Reddit cares about in the future.
The fact that they have put no thought or care into managing the damage that this does to third party apps and to their own reputation with the Reddit user base tells me something else too. Why bother being a good custodian of a community website that has never made a profit, when you could live off selling access to one of the largest bodies of good quality human-generated text-based content out there?
Do they even care if Reddit goes to shit in the future? Maybe not, especially now we are beginning to realise how easy it is for careful bots to poison the conversations with AI-generated replies.
It's going to become a barren wasteland of bots communicating with each other.
fleece desperate AI bros, and this may well be the only revenue stream Reddit cares about in the future.
Isn't it a bit late for that?
I mean, GPT is on its fourth iteration, they've been working on it for years, I don't know about Bing Chat but MS surely didn't start develop it only yesterday.
How can Reddit be so sure "AI bros" haven't already got the data they needed to train their models?
There’s going to be lots of other challengers out there: I’m sure every ML postgrad with any nous has spent the last couple of months contacting every funder they can track down to explain how their model is going to knock the socks off the old fashioned models used by these lumbering corporations.
And even the established models have been shown to contain content obtained in violation of user licences and copyright laws, leaving them open to all sorts of legal and political challenges. They will all be scrambling now to demonstrate that they’ve got clean hands in future models.
It will be like the NFT gold rush all over again—the only sure way to get rich is to sell the shovels.
@myk @alyaza "Why bother being a good custodian of a community website that has never made a profit, when you could live off selling access to one of the largest bodies of good quality human-generated text-based content out there?"
Goes to show how important it is we use FOSS and decentralized tools for real community communications.
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engadged: Reddit CEO Steve Huffman defends API changes in AMA
despite the title they're not going light on him lol
mashable: Reddit's CEO's AMA turns into disaster
p.s. non-English tech magazines are covering the protest too, I guess it's worldwide known at this point.
what blew my mind, and the minds of many other people on reddit is that they (reddit) have 2,000 employees and yet still can't piece together a good and accessible experience for their users...
No matter how many developers you get, you're never going to have a good product if the guy calling the shots won't allow it. I'm confident that the developers working on Reddit probably know damn well that their product is trash and there's nothing they can do about it because their job isn't "make a good site" its "do what your boss tells you to do"
I've been a developer for awhile and you would be surprised how many companies can't get out of their own way to improve their products.
This is so true it hurts.
That's absolutely right, I'm not a developer, I'm a UX/UI designer. I recently had a contract where the contractor slaughtered my initial design to the point where I almost started to hate it, but I was bound by contract to finish it.
If reddit wants, their developer can absolutely build a top notch app.
Man that whole situation really sucks. Reddit was by far my most visited site before they decided to light the house on fire. On mobile I always used Boost because the official app is terrible and (at least the last time I looked at it) would drain my battery like it was nothing even when the app was closed. RIP. At least we've got Lemmy. I just wish these 3rd party apps would take their users to the fediverse instead of shutting down entirely. As a developer it really sucks when you have to shut down a project you've put so much work into.
Don't forget Relay is shutting down too
It’s sad to see Reddit go down this path, but the writing has been on the wall for awhile now. Losing Apollo is what had me make the jump to Lemmy.
Hopefully we build a strong community here.
Edit: typo
new refugee - hello and thank you for welcoming us 🙋🏻♀️ very first of what i'm sure will be many posts here in the fedverse. nice to meet you all!
reddit know the list of named 3p apps out there are. likely tens not hundreds.
they could have implemented an api management solution to charge those folks differently than what they charge a corporation training lllms.
i sell this solution to enterprises for a living and it's not technically hard to implement. truly. thousands of companies large and small with fewer resources than reddit have done it.
reddit could have done it in less than a couple of hours and charged a fair rate to these developers while making bank on ai.
but no, spez the egocentric jackass chose this path instead.
corp controlled social media is both dangerous and toxic. the only way to fix this is to burn them to the ground so burn it we must.
deleting my reddit account & data on the 30th and watching the latest developments re: blackouts, communities going indefinitely dark even today ... with excitement for the future.
would have never thought in just a week i couldn't go from loving to loathing something so much.
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i think the goal is to shut them down - the pricing + time they were given is pretty effective at making sure the only way to access reddit content is via the paths reddit owns. they can collect more data, change whatever, charge whatever, and compete with nobody
it's enough to make us leave forever, hopefully everyone else follows suit
It's simply disappointing to see the disaster for the AMA. Saddens me to see Reddit go down like this. At least we got the Lemmy-proxy being a community project. Would love to still use Infinity as my main "reddit" browsing app, after all.
Looks like the Chinese "investor" is the Communist Party. The actions Reddit is taking are pretty much how they take down all the companies and citizens they target.
Reddit refugee here just doing my part to help with engagement!
I know that there's https://reddark.untone.uk/ for tracking which subreddits are dark or planning to go dark but is there a website that shows the amount of dark subreddits over time as a graph? I think that'd be quite interesting to see.
