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[–] [email protected] 112 points 11 months ago (2 children)

There must be a 5% margin of error

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

You laugh now but you'll be crying when they build cryptoland and my blockchain hills nft goes to the moon!

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 11 months ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 59 points 11 months ago (1 children)

i can only presume the remaining 5% is owned by NFTs Georg, who lives on the blockchain and is an outlier who should not have been counted

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The news here is that, contrary to popular belief, 5% of NFTs actually still hold some value.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

The real question would be: how many of those 5% can be sold for more than the initial asking price.

...but NFTs were never for the buyers, they were for the creators: even if they fall to 1/1000000th the initial value, a 2.5% cut on every sale is still more than 0.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

If the values fall low enough relative to transaction fees then there won't be any transactions at all for creators to collect royalties. Also values can drop to literally $0 if it isn't even worth a buyer or sellers time to deal with the NFT (i.e. seller can't find buyer at any price or doesn't bother trying).

[–] [email protected] 52 points 11 months ago

The other 5% are less than worthless

[–] [email protected] 46 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Crypto and NFTs are complete scams, change my mind.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

It's sad, I remember when bitcoin was new and the people interested were actually interested in breaking the state control of money. Now >99% of crypto people are just grifters and people trying to get rich quick.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

bitcoin skyrocketed and suckered in a lot of people to the gold rush. they didn't want decentralized currency or anything. They just saw that it was ~16,000 dollars a bitcoin and wanted in.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Most people were grifters back then too. I had a friend who was a libertarian porcfest free-stater and he was against bitcoin because he was afraid everyone would lose all their money and not be able to complete the free state project.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (19 children)

I would argue 99.99% of crypto and nfts are complete scams. But Blockchain is a change in how we manage and distribute data, and can remove centralization of power from humans that we would otherwise need to trust for managing autonomous systems like the data in a banks public ledger.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It’s a common misconception that blockchain gives trust. If you control a majority of nodes in a Blockchain system you decide what the truth is.

This opens the door for illicit players to manipulate things their way.

Lack of trust doesn’t replace trust.

Central, provable/accountable, trust is needed for financial systems to work.

Everything else is “Wild West”.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's also a misconception that some illicit players can take over a large enough Blockchain system.

The cost to run a 51% PoS attack on Ethereum, as of today, is $20 Billion

(current staked total of $40 Billion)... that is, $20 Billion, if you already had them. Buying that much of Ethereum, with an available liquidity of $670 Million... is just impossible, there is not enough on the market, simple as that. If you tried really hard, you could maybe convince some HODLers to part with some of their hoard for a high enough price... unless they decided to stake and try to stop you. How high would you want to go to prevent that? $200 Billion? $200 Trillion...? Then after proving you can pull a 51% attack, the price would instantly crash down to $0. How much spare cash do you have to burn?

Let's do Bitcoin

Running a 51% PoW attack on Bitcoin, would mean either hijacking half of the current 400 Million TH/s hash rate, or adding your own 400 Million TH/s to the network. The most recent and cost effective mining hardware does about 250 TH/s for $8500 (plus power), so you'd only need 1.6 Million of those at a cost of above $13 Billion. Sounds easy, until you realize there are no 1.6 Million miners on sale. If you tried to buy those many, fat chance the manufacturer wouldn't keep 50% of the production to themselves. Then comes the kicker: on a network without smart contracts, you can only double-spend your own coins, or block others from spending theirs... for how long would you be able to keep that 51% attack, before people realized what was going on and just kicked you out of the network?


Trust is trust in the inability of anyone to successfully attack a financial system.

Blockchains are absolutely provable/accountable to everyone everywhere at any time, which central systems are not.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Cryptocurrency has its uses as unregulated currency, though that makes it easy to scam people with it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (17 children)

The biggest problem is people trying to peddle it as currency.

It isn’t currency, never will be. Much more alike to bonds.

It’s an investment object with a speculative value, and no tangible value. The only value it has is what the next guy is willing to pay for it.

While currency is deflationary by nature, crypto is entirely based on demand and supply, and sure, as long as people think it will be worth more tomorrow - sky’s the limit.

Like any pyramid scheme it pays out to get in early, and get out before it collapses.

Relying on crypto is high stakes gambling, and people being people is the only reason I can find for it not having collapsed totally already.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

NFTs aren't always a scam... sometimes they are just tax fraud.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Shitcoins and GIF NFTs are complete scams, nothing to argue there.

Also Papal Indulgences, stamp collections, carbon offsets, the USD... we can go on 🤷

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

many are yes, but not all. Bitcoin and Ethereum (among others) are legit, and there are a few NFT projects out there that actually try to do the right thing even if they're not worth much at all. Many other NFTs are nothing but pictures that have no meaningful value except what you assign it to, but they never pretended to be anything else so that's still not a scam in my book

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Bitcoin is never going to be wisely used for it's intended purpose. It's been too sold as as investment that you buy and sell rather than a currency.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

probably a 5% error margin.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

For those of us with even an inkling of common sense it might as well be lol

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago

With some more time, the other 5% will follow suit.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

5% are worth more than zero due to collector value. Like beanie babies.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

This means that 79% of all NFT collections – otherwise known as almost 4 out of every 5 – have remained unsold

Anyone taking bets on how much of the remaining 21% were "sold" on paper only ie. wash traded? None of these statistics were ever reliable. Hundreds of thousands of NFT collections minted, almost all of them fishing for a single sucker to bite and make it worth the gas costs. It would probably be more useful to look only at collections officially associated with some already well-known brand/artist/celebrity.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It would probably be more useful to look only at collections officially associated with some already well-known brand/artist/celebrity.

The Trump NFTs sold 100%... not sure how useful is that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago

I honestly love that statistic. It's like a venn diagram of Trump screwing people over, people dumb enough to buy NFTs, and Trump supporters. It looks like this 🔴

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Along with the rest of crypto, but don’t tell them…

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (4 children)

No, you can't paint that broad of a stroke. It's true that crypto INVESTING might be no better gambling, but crypto wasn't invented to be an investment tool, it was invented to be a financial transaction tool, and in that regard it has some real utility.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

But that's not how most people use it anymore. It's become almost entirely a speculation market. Plus, transaction times for payments on Bitcoin e.g. make it totally infeasible for use in any retail application.

It's just a bunch of people passing Monopoly money around to each other at this point, trying to pretend they're making bank.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No, they made it to be an investment tool from the start. They wanted it to be a new gold standard, where the limited resource increases in value over time. Completely ignoring history on why that is a bad idea. It's was created to be the ultimate, "I got mine, so fuck you!"

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

it was invented to be a financial transaction tool

Which it failed at

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

Negative utility is still utility, right?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As with everything else, it only holds the value we assign to it

[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

You may not mean it this way, so no offense intended either way, but...

Crypto bros love to say "Oh, the value of any currency is arbitrary, it's all just based on people believing that it's worth something!"

But you know why I prefer transacting in USD? Cuz on a yearly basis, the government comes asking for a certain amount from me, and they'll only take USD. And if they don't get it, they'll do all sorts of bad things to me.

So while I may think gold or Dogecoin or limited edition Beanie Babies are a superior medium of exchange, I still have an unavoidable need to acquire USD. It's not my belief in USD that gives it value -- it's the guy with the sword.

Ironically, there is a similar way in which crypto has value. Cuz ransomware attacks tend to demand payment in crypto.

So they did actually make a legitimate currency, but the value doesn't come from belief. It comes from blackmail.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

BREAKING NEWS Report “95% of water : wet”

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

shit that would be breaking news if only 95% of it was wet lol

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I guess really cold water isn't really "wet" per-se. What did I just write...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To the surprise of absolutely no one with more than three brain cells to rub together.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

I'm extremely surprised that the number is only 95%.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Always have been 🌎👨‍🚀🔫

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

5% margin of error

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago
[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago

Who knew that implementing scarcity where there isn't any wouldn't work?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hey. I have an NFT of a bridge I'd like to sell you. Anyone interested?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Send me a screenshot first.

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