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Out of date apps in shop (lemmy.sdf.org)

submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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There has been a few instances of trying to get an app off of Pop!_Shop only to be met with an extremely out of date app.

I'm no expert, still very new, and I have no idea how the Pop!_Shop functions, but what is the process of getting apps updated? Is there something users can do, or do we just have to wait for the updated version to hit the shop?

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

There are alternative ways to install apps outside the official repos. The best options depend on the applications and your comfort level/knowledge.

I tend to get precompiled apps directly as tarballs from the developers and place a symlink into $PATH, like $HOME/.local/bin. Depending on the app I will also make a .desktop file in $HOME/.local/share/applications.

AppImages from developers can be aliased in $HOME/.bashrc and .desktop files added to $HOME/.local/share/applications. Make sure libfuse2 is installed. AppImageLauncher is a handy way of integrating AppImages.

If a developer distributes a .deb themselves, it will very likely work just fine on Pop. It seems that .deb are generated with the assumption an Ubuntu LTS or previous Debian release. If they are targeting only the newest version of Ubuntu or Debian, they tend to state it.

I don't use alternative package managers like Homebrew and Nix, but they are an option as well.

Then there is always compiling from source, but it is rarely necessary, unless you want the bleeding edge of an apps development.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just to add to that, you also have the option of using Flatpak, which already comes installed by default in Pop OS and integrated into Pop Shop. With Flatpak you can usually get a more recent version of the app, but the downside is larger install size.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Flatpak is definitely the way to go if you’re still getting started in your Linux journey.

The reason that flatpak apps are typically more up to date is because they are most often managed by the actual developer of the app. In contrast, the default apps in the Pop shop (which are deb packages, but that’s not super important) are managed and updated by popos itself (and/or Ubuntu/Debian that popos is built on), which is why they’re often slower to update. The developer has little to no day of when these packages are updated, and usually most packages are frozen between major releases of the distro.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Thanks for your detailed explanation, that will definitely come in handy often!

Virt-manager has a .deb download on the website, so I assume that means they distribute a .deb release. What needs to happen to have their up-to-date .deb uploaded to Shop?

My preffered method is using the Shop as I like the convenient, and what I'm just unsure of is how the Linux Appstores function. Does the app developer have to upload their latest update to the shop? Or do the PopOS devs need to add it themselves? Is there anything the community can do to help?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

What I described is largely about self managing a few select packages without a package manager.

It is good to think about if you really need the newest version of an app. Do you want a newer version just because it is newer, or does the version in the official repos actually not provide features you need.

If you want the Pop! Shop, which is basically a gui for apt and flatpak, to manage your packages, you will need to add some thrid party source to your package sources. For Ubuntu based distros the most common method for adding a third-party source for software is the PPA. Read up on PPA so you understand the potential drawbacks. There are other mechanisms available, and generally described if provided by the developer.

The packages available in Pop_OS by default are what Ubuntu and Pop_OS maintain. The vast majority of available packages on Pop_OS are what Ubuntu released with LTS 22.04. They do not provide feature updates to packages, only security updates. There will be no package feature updates until Pop_OS rebases off a new version of Ubuntu. Pop_OS maintains a handful of packages themselves, like Firefox. We as users are not involved in package management for Ubuntu or Pop_OS.

If you are interested in community maintained packages for Ubuntu based distros, Pacstall might be interesting to you. I don't think there is a way to integrate Pacstall with the Pop Shop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

What is wrong with virt-manager from the system repositories? You should not be installing third party debian packages.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It gets its applications from the system's debian repositories, and from Flathub.org. Neither of which are out of date.