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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Agree with you in general, but I think a lot if people here are not really informed what differences there are materialistic ideologies.

Yes, Stalin bad.

But Guevara is not Stalin.

Marx is not che

Engels is not Marx

China is not communist.

Marxism is not materialism

Socialism is not communism

Also the amount of people bringing the "the 3 times people tried socialism were bad, so the whole ideology must be bad" argument are way to high IMHO.

How many times was capitalism tried? How many times it worked out? Is the USA a "functioning" state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

While I agree with you, that oppression is bad, no matter what the oppressor calls himself, we should talk about policies without resorting to dogmas and generalising people in favor of fear the hegemonic class is propagating to stay in power.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yeah, that's not the tankies here; these are "North Korea is a great country, actually" tankies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Also, "anything negative about a communist country is US propaganda"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

or "russia is correctly in invading ukraine"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Should probably listen to Blowback Season 3.

Not to say they're a perfect country but to pretend that anyone in the West can critique them when their material conditions are dictated by the actions of the West is just comical.

If you aren't a materialist, what are you even doing? As if history happens in the realm of pure thought.....

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

The material conditions forcing North Korea to make work camps

Bugger off, tankie

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (3 children)

When a liberal says "tankie" they mean anything remotely communist-looking. When a leftist says "tankie", they mean authoritarians who like red flags and self-proclaimed communists who nonetheless support hierarchies and have no plan or intention to bring them down. I think the vast majority of people here knows this already.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (14 children)

Is the USA a “functioning” state with all the oppression, racism, greed, invading other countries out of monetarian interest and environment destruction?

I hope you realize that this is an incredibly privileged take. The US is rife with issues, but the hardships experienced by the average western citizen doesn't even compare to the suffering that you would find in, say, Pol Pot's Cambodia, or (to a less extreme extent) Maduro's Venezuela. To compare what a US citizen deals with on a daily basis due to capitalism to what a citizen of any of those countries had to go through is very reductive and may be perceived as disrespectful to many who had to live those experiences.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Just removed like 40 comments and banned a buncha people.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

holy shit they kicked the tankies out of 196

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

tankies more like no thankies

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Based.

They already have lemmygrad.

Honestly, I don't think we need them here.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I got banned from lemmygrad for saying acab means all cops lmao

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

they yearn for the glorious people's boot

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

500 years ago these mfs were the pro monarchy serfs

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Meanwhile anarchist organizing doesn't have cops, it has Agents of Community Defense who definitely aren't cops!

I have nothing against anarchists, but you need to see past slogans to be anything but a useful idiot to neoliberals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I mean any person or entity that enforces oppressive laws is a bastard. The government of China is far from some sort of benevolent state.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

there's literally a community called "moretankie196", they should go infest that one instead

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Can we have something like tankiejerk here? I seriously liked browsing that sub after a bad day with the red fashs.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This comment section is really something uh

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Tankies on their way to explain why teaming up with the Nazis to conquer Poland is actually based and totally in line with Marxist philosophy.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (8 children)

What are some good actual communist lemmy communities that aren't supporting the fucking capitalist imperialist russian invasion?

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

finds social media developed by tankies

looks inside

finds tankies

fr I'm down with having a good old purge eventually but noone should be surprised

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Honest question - what's a tankie? I feel like I've seen them mentioned a ton on Lemmy but I'd never heard the term prior to a few days ago. From the image it looks like a maga/skinhead combo?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tankie was first used for that kind of communist supporter who kept singing Russia's praises/defending Russia even when Russia was sent 5000 tanks to crush a popular uprising in Czechoslovakia (the "Prague Spring") on August 20, 1968. Some people just couldn't accept that a communist country could do something bad, so defended the action.

Nowadays, it's used to refer to those that are strongly supportive of Russia, completely ignoring the awful things they do. Often these days there's a lot of anti American bent to it. Like, anything anti America and American "imperialism" must be good - even blatant and awful Russian Imperialism.

These days they calmly explain how Ukraine just needs to come to the table and discuss peace (ignoring that Ukraine wouldn't exist if they did so) and blame America for the war in Ukraine for... well... they're America. The people who want war, or are causing the war, are those giving Ukraine weapons - not the country that is literally invading it.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They're communists, but not your every day "people should hold the power" communists. More like "tianenmen never happened, and if it did it wasn't that bad" type

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Which makes them no different from the western imperialists they hate so much.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (8 children)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie

Basically, it's Communists who support authoritarianism.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Thank fuck. I thought Lemmy was some ultra militant leftist hellhole before the shift.

I don't like extreme radical left any more than extreme radical right.

Fuck Che Guevara. Read a book.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

tankies arent radical left. they are authoritarians ffs

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