How effective is it, I wonder?
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With what happened in Hong Kong recently I imagine it can't be too effective in the short term, but at the same time the slow trickle of disinformation and whataboutism and bots online preaching their BS can have a way of radicalizing and turning people.
And it's not like the US' trackrecord doesnt make it easy to show examples of us doing wrong around the world.
Yes, very good points.
I highly recommend watching Larry Lessig's "Our democracy no longer represents the people. Here's how we fix it" speech from 2015.
He compares democracy in Hong Kong and the USA by looking at who nominates who eventually rules.
The people in China are terrible, and the people in USA are terrible. The vast majority of them are greedy, omnicidal, mass-extinction causing monsters. One is worse than the other, but both are so amazingly terrible that we should be boycotting both, and all the other dictatorships and oligarchies.
Personal anecdote, but I was in Taiwan recently for my grandmother's funeral. People (at least in Taipei) are surprisingly pro China. I've heard excuses like, "Chinese people don't fight Chinese people" or "China is threatening Taiwan to tell the US to back off, they don't actually want to do anything." Also, there has been rising skepticism towards the US due to a perceived refusal to back Ukraine by bringing them into NATO.
There is no doubt in my mind that, if China chose to go to war, that the US would defend Taiwan with boots on the ground. I see Taiwan as too strategically important for defending the liberal international world order, and letting Taiwan fall would set a precedent for the South China Sea, where China's getting its way could spell the end of freedom of navigation in a region that a third of global trade passes through.
Given current Taiwan political trends, I think many people are dissatisfied with the Tsai administration and would like to seek more business and cultural exchange with the mainland. Among the four presidential candidates, if you add up the three opposition candidates vs the incumbent DPP representative Lai, you will see that a majority oppose the DPP. However, there has been indecision as to which opposition candidate to unify behind.
Hilarious given we are a better Ally to them than China even is
To be fair that's not a particularly high bar to pass. "Don't want to take your land and slaughter your people" is the requirement
Granted. I accept your fairness.
To the wealthy and powerful Taiwanese, yes
Ah of course.. here it comes then huh..
If it isn't hexbear it's always lemmy.ml SMH
And to the poor Taiwanese as well.
Capitalist China does not give a shit about the common person.
China wants the Republic of China to align itself with the People's Republic of China? This is so hard to keep track of.
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China is spreading disinformation in Taiwan ahead of the upcoming presidential election in January. Much of the disinformation aims to portray America, not China, as Taiwan's greatest threat. The disinformation narratives are finding their way into Taiwanese media and influencing talk shows. A study found that while Chinese actors help spread most of the US-skepticism narratives, over half appear to have Taiwanese origins, suggesting China piggybacks on existing fears in Taiwanese society. China has developed systematic means of spreading falsehoods on Taiwanese social media that then get amplified by mass media, sometimes within half a day. However, surveys still show Taiwanese are warier of China than America.
The disinformation campaign underscores China's insidious efforts to mislead Taiwanese voters, though its actual impact on the election remains uncertain.
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Given enough exposure to propaganda you can get the working masses to believe whatever you want.
I've seen this first hand in Hungary. 20 years ago everyone was pro EU. Kids such as myself were dreaming about eventually becoming part of the US of Europe & while that was never realistic, the adults were also hoping for a better future in the EU. Before Covid we finally -kind of- got that better future, things have improved tremendously, but slowly over time propaganda completely turned the public opinion around. I'm convinced most people really don't like thinking on their own about issues.. Now even my 10-12 year old nephews know & believe that Brussels is the worst city on Earth with all the people being certifiably insane there. These days whenever I hear people talk politics It always starts with 'EU bad'.. (Though I too am reluctant to talk about my views openly nowadays, so no chance of anyone hearing that)
Perhaps Taiwan or even the US should invest more in more targeted western propaganda to counteract the Chinese influence, but this just sounds horrible, I effin hate propaganda.