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Not sure why this got removed from 196lemmy..blahaj.zone but it would be real nice if moderation on Lemmy gave you some sort of notification of what you did wrong. Like an automatic DM or something

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

An Aztec would not agree to any of that. They took slaves, they didn't allow women to vote because they didn't allow voting and women were second-class and they weren't interested in a fair and equitable society, which is part of the reason their enemies helped the Spanish take them down.

So I'd say that your 'objective truths' didn't apply to a major human civilization.

[–] balderdash9 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Here is an adjacent argument to the one you gave:

  1. Some people think the election was fixed
  2. Some people think the election was fair

Therefore, there is no "objective truth" to whether the election was fair or fixed.

Moral of the story, disagreement alone does not entail a lack of objective truth. But the post was not about moral disagreement, it was about moral progress.

Moral relativists have a hard time explaining why we should have moral progress. The moral relativist will argue that any action whatsoever will be a good action if there is a certain group consensus. So why should we fight for a more fair and equitable society if the society we have now is *exactly * as morally good as any other system we could enact? Even worse, if the majority of people in your situation believe that something unjust is the right thing to do, then protesting against them is morally wrong.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What does that have to do with my argument about the Aztecs? I don't see the connection.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Because you seem to misunderstand what objective means, the other user is attempting to help you understand that with an unrelated example.

Objective means something is true. It does not mean consensus.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (15 children)

Yes, I know what objective means. What makes their morals untrue and yours true?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That's the next step. Once we agree that someone is right and someone is wrong, then we can start talking about the definition of "moral good". And that is a very difficult and complicated discussion. But just because it's hard to define doesn't necessarily mean it's not real.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Can't something be objectively immoral whilst simultaneously being something that some people like to do? Does the objective morality of any given action need to be linked to a specific groups preference?

Slavers liked to keep slaves but it didn't make them right to do it. Im sure the slaves didn't enjoy it. Objectively, it's morally wrong to gain from somebody elses loss. The fact that people are happy to do it doesn't affect moral objectivity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (4 children)

You're correct on your judgment but your opinion stems from a different social stance on the underlying issue.

(that sounded really pedantic and it was not my intention)

Morality is a human creation. By default, nothing is wrong or right, until a human mind, be it an individual or colective one, analyse it and evaluate it.

This does not mean you can not view something as being immoral while others do or understand it as not a moral concern. This difference of understandingb is what moves any subject into the moral/immoral spectrum.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

it would be real nice if moderation on Lemmy gave you some sort of notification of what you did wrong.

I once got comments removed and community banned and found some explanations on the mod log on the bottom of the website of the instance

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