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Vietnam: Coal supply for thermal power plants to increase (slrpnk.net)

submitted 1 year ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Following a call to share more non-Western themes, here is an article from local Vietnamese newspaper Viet Nam News, Saturday's edition. Reading between the lines is always key here, so I thought you might appreciate this piece.

Vietnam faces a power shortage this spring and summer. The solution is coal and more coal. There is indeed a new power development plan (PDP8) that puts a focus on green energy, but only relatively speaking, coal will grow until 2030. It's growth that matters. The G7 wants green growth, but that's only a side-hustle for the government, it seems. Wind and solar energy have a hard time, enforcement on the ground is falling behind.

So the question for this sub might be how to make green energy the only alternative.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I just looked it up, this is basicly going back to 2021 levels. Vietnam had a decrease in coal power generation between 2021 and 2022.. Seems to me that Vietnam knows and can fix this problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know what you getting at, my post was a little bit off. Not trying to give fuel to deniers. But I somehow did.

Still, it's an uphill battle. And there is so much potential in the region: many sunny hours, a long coast.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It basicly comes from the ironic opposite of the "why would we not increase emissions, when all the rich countries have high emissions", which is used in poorer countries. It basicly boils down to, "why should we reduce emissions, when poor countries just increase theirs and emissions globally stay the same or even increase. There is some truth to the argument, as both Europe and the US have actually reduced emissions and most of the emissions growth comes from poor countries growing their economy and with it energy consumption including fossil fuels. Welcome to fossil fuel PR.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Sad upvote

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

TIL Vietnam has English newspapers

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

...not many daily EN newspapers, but a few weekly ones, and blogs like https://vietnamweekly.substack.com.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

From statistical review of world energy from 2021 to 2022:

Coal went from 114TWh to 100TWh, hydro went from 76TWh to 96TWh and wind/solar went from 28TWh to 34TWh. Temporarily returning to 2020 levels is bad, and vietnam could still do a lot better, but this is still progress.

Going from negligible wind and solar to half as much as their coal generation since 2018 is a staggering growth rate.

Looks like someone is trying to paint five exceptional years for coal divestment followed by an okay one (coupled with record heat waves, drought and a re-opening economy) as an increase in coal.

Cue more cries of "bUt wHaTaBoUt China, India, Indonesia and Vietnam" to delay action in the west where emissions per capita are an order of magnitude higher.

https://www.energyinst.org/statistical-review

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Cue more cries of “bUt wHaTaBoUt China, India, Indonesia and Vietnam” to delay action in the west where emissions per capita are an order of magnitude higher.

That is not quite true anymore. The EU, which is a huge part of the West has lower per capita production based emissions then China and even when you adjust for trade they are very close. Obviously it is still true for India, Indonesia and Vietnam thou, but China has higher then global emissions per capita.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/co-emissions-per-capita

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita?time=2019

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Looks like someone is trying to paint five exceptional years for coal divestment followed by an okay one (coupled with record heat waves, drought and a re-opening economy) as an increase in coal.

Thanks for intervening here, this was not my intention, but you can absolutely read it this way. I kept it too short, basically I would argue that more relative expansion of green energy would be great. The strong coal foundation is a problem, yet Europe and US etc. are much more problematic.

The statistics show a path forward, thanks again. It would be great to talk more concretely about responsibility and actors to move further, which is not easy here. Building new wind parks etc. can be a hustle, I learnt.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My comment was directed more at the newspaper editor (unless that was you?). but thanks for the clarification either way. The line between people saying we need to move faster and bad faith actors shifting blame can get pretty fuzzy at times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Sure and, naaah, I'm not in charge. The newspaper is very much neutral, so this is interesting on its own considering the not-so-open press world. There are other reports in the same edition on green matters, but no links are drawn.

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