It might be run by tankies, but all I see are Linux users
this post was submitted on 11 Jul 2023
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The people hosting lemmy ml are also hosting the instance lemmygrad.ml You can look around there. Those are tankies.
What's the point of specifically looking for the tankie instance just so you can say See? Lemmy is overrun by tankies. At that point it looks like you're just trying to get outraged.
The amount of content I've seen on the front page endlessly crying and whining over these evil tankies far exceeds the amount of tankie content I've run across involuntarily, which remains at a staggering 0.
It's got big “And are these tankies in the room with us right now?” vibes tbh.
Not "overrun". Run, lemmy.ml specifically, as in the instance admins are tankies.
You're missing the point, hopefully not intentionally.
I don't think I'm missing the point actually, I'm aware the instance admins are tankies.
Like I said before, are these tankie admins flooding the instance with their tankie content? This hasn't been my experience at all but if that's your situation, you're free to just leave for any other place in the Fediverse that is defederated from lemmy.ml.
If you're not seeing tankie content by these admins, but simply the fact of them being tankies proves to be such a taxing moral challenge to you, the same as before applies. I know lots of people that went to Kbin specifically because they didn't want to deal with lemmy.ml admins and their values (personally I think this is a bit much but everyone is free to do as they please, I won't judge people who do it).
What I don't get is the “Ok Imma stay but I will be complaining the WHOLE TIME” mindset.
Nobody here besides you mentioned flooding or being overrun. You're attacking a strawman.
Then who cares if one instance has tankie admins? I hope that we have all kinds of admins hosting different instances.
There were cases of them deleting posts that critisced certain governments. Hence why I am on Lemmy.World and not that instance.
There are good reasons not to like/trust them outside of a "flood of content" those kinds of users don't go on ml they are on Lemmygrad and they are equally awful, which is why I am not on that instance.
Right, but that's the point. You don't have to like and trust them, as long as they aren't hurting your community, which, as best I can tell, they aren't. You can still federate with people you don't like, as long as you can trust them enough to not over run or hurt your communities.
Exploding heads was hurting communities, so that's different.
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I tend to get along with all leftists. The further left they are, the cooler their guns are.
These particular "leftists" are completely cool with Xi and Putin though.
Yeah, it's something else reading on a Lemmy instance, under a hammer and sickle how the worst thing Putin does is "transphobia". And how the west is doing lying propaganda because Kinzhal could never be intercepted by the inferior Patriot.
I despise them saying "oH bUt wHat aBoUt zElensky" whenever there are any posts about the Ukrainian-Russian war. Whataboutism at it's finest.
The Lemmy grad types defend right wing regimes. They’re just anti west.
Unless they decide to sacrifice you for their ideas.
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It’s the same picture
Nah, I use Linux (for some things, anyhow) and am a far more moderate lefty than some that I’ve seen around Lemmy thus far.
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Okay, I’m clearly ignorant. What’s a “tankie”?
Short answer: folk who are so pro-Communist that they think the Tiananmen Square massacre was a good thing. The massacre in which the CCP bulldozed protestors with tanks.
Hence, "tankie"
Edit: apparently I'm wrong on the origin of the term, and it predates Tiananmen Square. See the reply below.
I will add that given the current projection of power currently, China is a far more powerful authoritarian communiststate than Russia, so most tankie propaganda is China-centric these days.
That's a wrong answer.
It's in relation to the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia during the Prague spring, where they were doing evil things like giving people more freedoms and not having everything under centralised authoritarian state control so the soviets sent over some tanks to kill people and enforce their imperialistic control over the country.
Ironically enough doing more to encourage actual communism than the larpers in Russia ever did.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tankie
In your defence, it's confusing trying to keep track of who these authies murdered with tanks.
Wow thanks! TIL :)
Yeah honestly I'm pretty socialist but not authoritarian in the slightest. Hearts and minds first.
Oh wow. So like, extreme right wing and the fucking Republicans. Fuck all those people.
Yeah, extreme left wing basically. Think that capitalism should be overthrown by force. Same as jan6-ers but pro Communist
Nah tankies specifically are those that support Maxist-Leninism to a fault. Thats why they sypport the tanks rolling over student protestors. They'll fight for single party state socialism that winds up not as a vanguard, but as corrupt state capitalism. Other leftists despise them because revolution doesn't necessarily mean becoming the USSR, nor should it.
Extreme left-wing/communists.
I’ve learned not to lean into labels - the right seems to be as dangerous to democracy as the far left, as they seem to now embrace the tactics of what we used to consider “leftie” or communism. They want to maintain control and don’t care how they get it.
Libertarian vs autoritarian. Left vs right.
You're comparing apples to oranges. Both the left and the right can be good. The problem is that people are hungry for power and money. Any system crumbles when the foundations are based on greed and corruption.
I really hate the left vs right fight, it is pointless. Both systems can be good, both systems have flaws, both systems can be exploited, both systems have been exploited in the past... A system isn't going to save you from a corrupted government and corrupted private interests
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I don't disagree, so long as we're talking about similar distances from center when we say 'far'. At least in the US, people talk about the far right and the far left, except they're really talking about people who are slightly left. US doesn't have far left. Far left is the USSR and other authoritarian communist states (I'm unsure if any of these still exist).
Though honestly I think it just makes more sense to push back against anyone who's too far on the authoritarian scale as I feel like that's mostly what people have a problem. Governments (in my opinion) need to be at least a bit authoritarian in order to enforce laws at all, but a lot of the modern political sphere is pushing hard on overly authoritarian policies in nearly every space and country.
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Wrong spectrum. Both Republicans and Tankies are authoritarian, which is why they feel similar (especially because current republicans are barely even conservative and have mostly gone all in on the authoritarian part).
Well, the tanks in question are actually those sent by the USSR to crush the Hungarian Revolution and Prague uprising.
I haven't seen this yet outside of pro China forums.
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If they keep it to themselves, it shouldn’t be a problem.
If they ban and censor users because of those views though…
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Of you think lemmy.ml is tankie you are not ready for lemmygrad lmao .
it's kinda funny to see in real time.
Certainly not “ha-ha” funny
Some hard truths
Can I go now?
Cackling. So accurate. It's just kind of complicated around here!
So are there any real downsides to having an account on this instance? I chose it randomly when I signed up and don't know enough about the situation.
Should I be concerned enough to go make another account or is it essentially meaningless at the end of the day?
You may lose out on some content as instances have defederated from it. Although most of the hardcore tankies moved to lemmygrad.ml, leaving lemmy.ml as the clean PRC PR face so it'll probably not see as much defederation.
I think most of us are very new to this, we are learning about instances, server, communities, federation etc and how are they different, as reddit user it will take us time to grasp the general idea. But one thing great about lemmy is the freedom to choose instance , so if you don't like something hop to another instance where it resonates with your like, take a look at community which you follow and instance associated with it.
I feel these few months most of the user will be instance hopping 🤣, and slowly as time goes most of us will settle down to our new home. And I am sure you will find your answer too by then.
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Kind of new to this. I thought threads didn't yet implement activitypub and therefore couldn't federate with other apps. So how did lemmy defederate from meta? Or is that just a promise to never federate with meta?
Yeah it's kind of a pre-emptive thing, so when (if) Threads does turn on federation, they're already blocked.
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