Yeah if they let turkey in the eu, which is up to the Europeans but doesn't seem like the greatest if ideas.
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Turkey as it is now cannot accede.
BUT: as a Greek, let me say that it is very important for Europeans to not give up on Kemal's vision (*) of a peaceful, westernized Turkey, and to not give up on our secularist brethren, mainly on the west coast. Without a vision of a possible future of a peaceful, integrated European Turkey, with rule of law, respect for minorities and a liberal democratic polity, the secularists in Turkey will be left with nothing but some version of Egypt-style "strong man secularism".
The west, and the Islamic world desperately needs a positive vision of a secular Muslim society. Europe needs a European Islam, that is not othered but that is a respectable and respectful partner.
So the problem is twofold. On the one hand there is indeed the aggressive, imperialistic, authoritarian neo-ottoman politics of Erdogan that are completely incompatible with the acquis communautaire of the EU. On the other hand there is an Islamophobic mainstream in many EU countries that reject Turkey out of hand, for the fact that they are Muslims. Both need to be defeated, and keeping alive the dream of a European Turkey is 100% worth it.
(*) I'm mentioning Kemal Ataturk with a bitter taste in my mouth as my very ancestors were slaughtered and displaced by his policies. But the dream of a European Turkey requires also the dream of reconciliation in the Balkans and Anatolia.
Thank you for this balanced take on this. It allowed me to consider the situation from another perspective.
Nope, after last night's talks it wasn't one of Erdogan's demands anymore.
Economic situation of the country aside, there's zero chance of it happening in Turkey's current state anyways, looking at the (politely put) autocratic tendencies and the government's interpretation of human and European rights.
Nah, they just got F16s from the US
As a Turk I didn't surprised
Thank goodness.
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