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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Bullshit.

The ultra wealthy alone basically live in debt. They use debt for everything. That’s one reason they pay virtually no taxes. That would skew an “average”.

Also, mortgages and auto loans would make this way higher for average people.

OP gets the number for the post from here I suspect

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/research/average-household-debt/

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Debt doesn't reduce taxes. Not having income reduces taxes.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can claim debt repayment on taxes and it reduces your income

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

General debt payments aren't deductible, certain interest payments are allowed, like mortgages, but there's a cap.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

My old boss kept refinancing his house to keep all the debt tax free. Need a new Mercedes? Time to refinance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

Debt never gets taxed, it's not income. Debt forgiveness can be taxed as income though.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

That's not a thing. Unless he was somehow laundering money through like cash mortgage payments and then refinancing cash out to spend.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

The methodology here is suspect at best.

Simply dividing the amount of debt by the number of people does things like decrease the debt per person if there are children in the house.

There are other weird scenarios like non married people who own a house together. When you purchase a house with someone both parties are responsible for the debt, so 100% of the balance shows up on both their credit reports.

There may be some broad trends that can be gathered from this? If anybody has any idea what they are I'd be interested in hearing. Right now I can't think of any

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Article says specifically ‘$59,580’ as the average amount.

Am confused where the remaining amount is coming in from OP for the remainder of folks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Including mortgages? That’s not bad at all.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There is no way this figure includes mortgages....

[–] [email protected] 1 points 11 months ago

I'm curious if it includes the house as an asset. Does a $300,000 house with a $200,000 mortgage count as $100,000 or $200,000 of debt?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It's per year. My parents were like "50 grand in debt? That's nothing!" which shows you the true state of the American economy.

[–] IamSparticles 1 points 11 months ago

Seems low, honestly. If you have a mortgage, chances are your debt is much higher.