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[–] [email protected] 106 points 10 months ago (5 children)

It's Western lies. Ukraine never had ATACMs. The minor damage to 8 helicopters, an ammo depot, and more was caused by tactical Ukranian gypsy witches.

[–] [email protected] 80 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (7 children)

Why is that optic 6 inches off the top of that AK?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 10 months ago

Don't question the witches' ways.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Maybe they've got a sensitive neck?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Rifle is fine

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Common Uklannian L

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago

One on the left has a bipod wider than her height

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Skyscraper mounts are optimal passive engagement biomechanics, as Garand Thumb's dad would say

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

AI is going to doom us all, I swear

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Baba Yaga, baba ganoush I'll take either

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Houses with chicken legs are surprisingly stealthy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Isn't "gypsy" a racist slur?

[–] [email protected] 38 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Generally it is used that way by anyone not self identifying.

Here it is used in hyperbole that seems to me as mocking the stereotype due to context and Russia being the obvious butt of the joke.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They're the butt of a lot of jokes: everything from poor chain of command, infighting, lack of equipment, corruption, dishonesty leading to a failure to accurately asses the situation, franken vehicles, and bizarre orders like digging trenches near Chernobyl or fortifying against beach landings. My personal favorite is a Ukrainian soldier talking on russian comms and telling them to just surrender. They tell him to shut up and continue communicating tactical plans. A real facepalm moment.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

It's also used as the name of a sauce over where I live

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, and here in the States we used to have Aunt Jemima. Didn't make it any less racist AF. 😅

[–] [email protected] 18 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To expand on why Aunt Jemima was racist for those that don't know: She was a stereotype of a servant caretaker, a caricature and not a person. Uncle Ben was the male servant version.

Both were designed to be acceptable to southerners who still think black people should be servants even if they are no longer slaves. It was intentional, not accidental.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago
[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Mmmm. Moth juice.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Hmm. I'm unsure of the "self-identifying" part, as I've mostly heard corrections coming from Romani people themselves. Secondly, the joke seems a slippery slope toward apologist antics.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Romani are spread throughout the world and have different preferences based on how slurs are used and whether they want to cede certain terms to racists or keep them. Some still identify as gypsy for personal reasons and should be respected for that while not using the term by default. Treat it like the word queer for LGBTQ+ folks, only use it if that is their preference.

Also, there are other nomadic people that. Romani, and the usage as a slur includes using one term for all groups instead of recognizing the diversity.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I completely agree, and thanks for clarifying!

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

We're on NCD so I try to make this sound like overblown russian copium. Denying what happened and the "minor damage" is part of the joke that it is "completely destroyed" because Russia lies and makes subsequent attacks just as unexpected as the first, a reference to the shock factor of Himars strikes.

I apologize for any offense.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I hear ya, and no offense taken at all!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

If there was any offense, it was russian offense, so it happened but it won’t go anywhere.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 10 months ago (2 children)

They really named the missiles "attack 'ems" huh

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

Well they said we couldn't call them Fuck 'ems anymore

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Fully Knowledgeable Missile System.

You know, because it knows where it is.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Precisely because it knows where it isn't!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

We need to start development on the FNDOUT missile sytem.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

I've only ever been a government contractor, never military myself, but you quickly learn that some acronyms were destined to be enunciated as-is, rather than spelt out.

"ATACMS" was just so natural

[–] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Losses aren't real. Russian air force aren't real.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago

Russian air force aren’t real.

strike on Berdyansk took out 9 helis, SAM site, ammo depot and some other things, and we don't know anything about strike in Luhansk

so yeah, soon

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago

peskov already cried that there's no point in supplying ATACMS if russia is losing. k we'll make sure it's losing harder

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think they assume that Ukraine support will wane over time, that the West will get distracted and stubborness alone will turn the tide.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

He's assuming that because that's what he would do in this situation, because he has the critical thinking skills of a spanner. He thinks every other politician is like him, he doesn't get that most of them are basically just constantly playing in a personality contest, which is something he's never had to do.

There's basically flat support for the war at the moment, there isn't really any interest in removing support and there isn't really any interest in granting additional support (actual military intervention, WMDs). As long as Europeans are not adversely affected by the existence of this war, the support isn't going to go anywhere.

If somebody were to turn up with some actual evidence that say we could have built 30,000 houses but instead we sent Ukraine 20 missiles, or whatever, then maybe that would turn the tide, but I don't think anybody has that data because in most countries military spending is pre-allocated.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You could build a whole lot of houses instead of funding a war. But the houses will become someone else's.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You do realize that the vast majority of the dollars from various countries' Ukrainian war support programs doesn't actually leave the domestic economy, right? Take the US for example; America says it'll send 50 billion USD of defense equipment, America sends that amount of equipment from it's current sites, it then buys new stuff from domestic manufacturers to replace what is now absent.

This is what is happening across Europe, as well. Ukraine gets stuff that's old, but still good enough to embarrass Russia's weapons platforms, while the donating country gets to outfit it's forces in even newer shit.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I'm 100% for giving Ukraine weapons to defend their country and European freedom indirectly. That our old weapons are better that current russian weapons is an unexpected delight

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

Building housing is usually not a money issue, but a zoning issue.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I'm assuming that, in this case, Russian air force history started in the 1990s

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

There where no Russia as it is today before December 1991, no matter what soveebs try to imply