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Not saying that our mods here aren't doing a great job! Just the opposite! I think they are doing a phenomenal job! However, as users we should keep an eye on the logs to make sure power is kept in check. You can always view the modlog at the bottom of your browser window!

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

One of the best things about open source software - there is no need to hide useful information from your user base. A concept largely forgotten in today corporate hemisphere.

As you mentioned, I think the mods have done a fantastic job given the learning curve and lack of mod tools. This is just a good tool for accountability and transparency. Keep it up!

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

there is no need to hide useful information from your user base

yet only the instance admins can see my total karma point sum while I can't. It seems this has been removed to prevent "karma farming". I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I thought it wasn't available to anyone, but why would you want to view it? I never felt the karma system added much to reddit except the aforementioned karma farmers

I'm not really for or against it though

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I thought it wasn't available to anyone

Instance admins have the database and up/downvotes are stored there. Even if they don't see it directly in the UI, it'd be trivial to extract the data with a simple db query.

I never felt the karma system added much to reddit

The important part: Reward/Penalty is vital for social network adoption. While it's not vital to anyone, it's the only way to check, well, your karma (in relation to other users) at a single glance.

Also people are dopamine driven. I honestly doubt that even you weren't even a bit happy when you saw a post getting many upvotes additional to positive feedback. Or maybe surprised, when you suddenly lost a lot of karma for some comment you did with best intents. It's quite hard to check every past comment/post, so the total sum makes sense.

Also it's a good mechanism (not perfect for sure) to assess a user. E.g. some subreddits had a minimum karma limit required for posting/commenting. This led to karma farming and made it A LOT harder for bots or trolls with a gazillion accounts.

I'm not really for or against it though

Fair enough. I'm solid pro. We already use karma to sort posts and the data is there - just hidden. The upsides weigh heavier for me than the downsides.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, while I could care less about karma, this is likely just due to the infancy of the software. You had 2 people working on this for ~3 years, and in three days their user base increased 10x. It’s not like they were given time to prepare (thanks spez). These things will be worked out, we just have to be patient. It is worth the wait for federation.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It was there initially. This is the issue concerning search results.

I commented on the closed issue. Didn't open a new issue, yet since I'm still new to lemmy. I also want to try kbin and get more familiar with both, before doing feature requests :)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

If someone posted stuff that really should be removed forever without any way of seeing or recovering it (like illegal stuff, especially CP), could it be done? I don't think it's a good idea to have a permanent backlog of stuff that was meant to be deleted. I understand concerns around transparency, but some stuff really should not be accessible.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I am and mod and admin in a bookwormstory.social and you can as a mod hide a comment to say "deleted by a mod" and as an admin delete comment from the database clicking "purge" button

Idk how that works releted to federation of purged content

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

cool to know

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wonder if instead a log entry of some kind could be made justifying the decision, but still obviously removing the material.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Nice feature!

But I wonder, why are removed posts just hidden? You can still access the links from the ModLog itself, URLs probably still appear in search engines, along with any images / content.

It would make sense if they are kept for a while so that others can check for abusive behaviour, but are they ever actually purged?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Unsure, I'd have to trawl the code base to answer that. Maybe a dev can chime in and clarify?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ya' it almost sounds almost like a way to pretend they are removing questionable content while still leaving it accessable.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AFAIK it was similar on reddit. You could still see content removed from the sub in a user's history. I think the mechanism they're trying to argue they're controlling is promotion of that content. Especially here where no one "owns" it, it just is. Being seen to promote illegal content is what the heat comes from.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Makes sense, I was overthinking it..

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

This is super good to know. I’m planning on eventually spinning up my own server, basically for this reason, but the transparency of being able to audit mod behavior is awesome.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago

Is there a way to do this in Jerboa? I can't seem to find one.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Good to know, that is insanely cool! I like transparency.